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Old 09-24-2013, 09:02 PM   #16
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Azomite huh, I've been using it for the past 2 years lol. I've used it in planted tanks, shrimp tanks, even in a cichlid tank. Azomite powder helps to boost fishes immune system to fight off parasites, disease, as well as boost the overall growth. For shrimp it helps immune system as well, but also helps to strengthen their exoskeleton and boost overall growth.

For aquatic plants Azomite supplies a mineral rich additive, helps to boost the plants ability to fight off parasites, and gives great overall growth.

Now here's the WARNING about Azomite in the planted tank.

Azomite is a potent substance, meaning that if you add too much too fast your plants will start dying off. I use 1/4 teaspoon of Azomite powder per 55 gallons of water once a month, that's right ONCE a month in my 55 gallon tank.

I've settled on this amount because I've done test using more, and using it often to see the results. 1/4 teaspoon once per month I found to be the right amount without any loss of plants, and livestock.


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Old 09-24-2013, 09:24 PM   #17
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How is it's solubility in water? If I were to does 1/4 tsp dry, does it dissolve as quickly as other dry ferts or is it more like calcium sulfate, where it kind of sits around for a few hours?

I'm really tempted to try this out!
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I dose it dry ever month, I just drop right into the current of the outflow from my canister filter and walk off. The current breaks it up, so I'd say it's like dosing other dry ferts. So far I have no complaints once I dialed in the right amount to dose, I had an Anubias Nana that went from 2" across leaf growth to 4" across and almost 8" long.
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I dose it dry ever month, I just drop right into the current of the outflow from my canister filter and walk off. The current breaks it up, so I'd say it's like dosing other dry ferts. So far I have no complaints once I dialed in the right amount to dose, I had an Anubias Nana that went from 2" across leaf growth to 4" across and almost 8" long.

do you have a picture of your tank you used it on?
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I suspect that CSM+B is missing those elements because most are not essential for plant growth.

Chlorine is probably present in one of the salts used to make up one of the other components in CSM+B, something like CaCl2, so it is probably there.

Sodium, cobalt, silicon and selenium can be beneficial to some plant species but they are not essential or even necessary for growth.

Rubidium and vanadium, are not even beneficial for most plants and they are not essential. So you don't need to worry about a vanadium deficiency



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Wouldn't buying a bottle of Flourish be the easy way to add those elements?
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:51 AM   #22
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do you have a picture of your tank you used it on?
Here's my old 75 gallon high tech tank that I traded for a 100 gallon tank.

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I suspect that CSM+B is missing those elements because most are not essential for plant growth.

Chlorine is probably present in one of the salts used to make up one of the other components in CSM+B, something like CaCl2, so it is probably there.

Sodium, cobalt, silicon and selenium can be beneficial to some plant species but they are not essential or even necessary for growth.

Rubidium and vanadium, are not even beneficial for most plants and they are not essential. So you don't need to worry about a vanadium deficiency



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we are still mising NIckel from csm+b which is highlited in green color, even though we can get away without adding other traces, i still think adding nickel would improve the csm+b.

Kekon at APC talks about adding Nickel in the trace and it has proven to show postive results.
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Possibly but the concentration of nickel you need for plants to be healthy is below 0.0001 ppm. This crazy low amount could come from virtually any source. Fish flake food, dust in the air, whatever gets past an RO membrane, residual amounts in your substrate. And as far as I know nickel is only used in that one enzyme in plants, so understandably the plants hardly need any at all.


See my research on the subject over at APC:
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...tml#post661982
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Azomite huh, I've been using it for the past 2 years lol. I've used it in planted tanks, shrimp tanks, even in a cichlid tank. Azomite powder helps to boost fishes immune system to fight off parasites, disease, as well as boost the overall growth. For shrimp it helps immune system as well, but also helps to strengthen their exoskeleton and boost overall growth.

For aquatic plants Azomite supplies a mineral rich additive, helps to boost the plants ability to fight off parasites, and gives great overall growth.

Now here's the WARNING about Azomite in the planted tank.

Azomite is a potent substance, meaning that if you add too much too fast your plants will start dying off. I use 1/4 teaspoon of Azomite powder per 55 gallons of water once a month, that's right ONCE a month in my 55 gallon tank.

I've settled on this amount because I've done test using more, and using it often to see the results. 1/4 teaspoon once per month I found to be the right amount without any loss of plants, and livestock.


Azomite powder guaranteed analysis

Please share ANY sources that promote this powder as boosting fishes immune system,increased growth of fishes ,treatment or preventitive for parasites.
Or are these just your observation's?
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I dose it dry ever month, I just drop right into the current of the outflow from my canister filter and walk off. The current breaks it up, so I'd say it's like dosing other dry ferts. So far I have no complaints once I dialed in the right amount to dose, I had an Anubias Nana that went from 2" across leaf growth to 4" across and almost 8" long.
Thank you so much for chiming in with your experience! I'm very excited to try out the sample Azomite a nice guy at my LFS gave me. What he gave me in granules & you say you use a powder - would you grind it up before dry dosing? I really appreciate you sharing your history with this stuff.
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Ni is proven results in planted tanks? Really? Forget light intensity and CO2, it's all about some hyper minor trace? I agree with what Zapins stated. This would be incredibly difficult to demonstrate for a researcher, let alone a hobbyists.

CMS does fine, I think finding another product or source is fine also, particularly if it is cheaper and more available. If it has these other minor minor traces just to be sexy, well hunky dory.

I've yet to find any plant species that I cannot grow quite well using CMS.
In fact, I have long offered challenges to others making such claims for various nutrients, ppm's and I've never lost yet after 20 years now. Name the plant that has trouble specific to these traces and is improved by this?
You need to be able to state this, otherwise it's pie in the sky and you have no clear hypothesis to test.

So the real issue is one that offers another product that is similar, does the same type of job and is cheap/more available etc. I'm on board there. The rest is speculation/wishful thinking I would argue.
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Still waiting for any sources that promote this trace mineral powder,in the boosting of fishes immune system,increased growth,or as preventitive /treatment against parasites,disease.(I nearly spit up).
I have some miracle mud that will make you look ten year's younger. Don't mind the manure smell.
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Please share ANY sources that promote this powder as boosting fishes immune system,increased growth of fishes ,treatment or preventitive for parasites.
Or are these just your observation's?


Proof of Azomite use... Disregard the "algae" part of the video, because in powder form Azomite does not increase algae in aquariums.


So are you done with being "that guy"?
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