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Old 07-11-2013, 05:02 PM   #421
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fit for a reef? my dad has a reef, and ive looked at tons; and i can say that plumbing surpasses 90% of reefs. thats public aquarium type plumbing.
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:48 PM   #422
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:18 PM   #423
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Gate valve is to adjust full siphon flow. Ball valve is so I can close the pipe without screwing up the gate valve's adjustment.
Makes sense, although it is more expensive initially, I can see it relieve a lot of hassle down the road.

I'd be interested to see labels on all those devices and see what you have planned.
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makes sense, although it is more expensive initially, i can see it relieve a lot of hassle down the road.

i'd be interested to see labels on all those devices and see what you have planned.



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Old 07-12-2013, 04:18 AM   #425
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All this for a betta?
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:19 AM   #426
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Just need to figure out how to run the waste water drain line underneath all this now.

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Old 07-13-2013, 02:55 AM   #427
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Well you can always use a condensation pump. I work in the a/c field and sometimes we run into situations where there is no slope for the condensation pump so we run a 3/8ths copper line to the outside(pretty flexible due to it's width) and the pump just takes out all the water out. something like this
Little Giant VCMX-20ULST 554550 VCMX Series Automatic Condensate Removal Pump With Safety Switch (115 volts), 1/30 horsepower - Amazon.com Little Giant VCMX-20ULST 554550 VCMX Series Automatic Condensate Removal Pump With Safety Switch (115 volts), 1/30 horsepower - Amazon.com
with a built in float switch. This way you don't have to worry about how to run it since it doesn't really matter as long as there is a way out.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:36 AM   #428
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I left myself room to do a 2" drop in slope on the drain line from one end of the cabinet to the other. It should drain ok.
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hi rbarn,

what tipped the scales for you to include a refugium? curious b/c i'm in the planning stage of a 260 for altums or discus and plants. (or, the poor man's version of what you're doing!)


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Old 07-21-2013, 02:45 PM   #430
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hi rbarn,

what tipped the scales for you to include a refugium? curious b/c i'm in the planning stage of a 260 for altums or discus and plants. (or, the poor man's version of what you're doing!)

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It's an experimental area. I will experiment with a rufug, reverse light cycles, O2 levels and nitrate/phos. levels. It may or may not last and just end up as an empty space in the sump.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:04 AM   #431
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It's an experimental area. I will experiment with a rufug, reverse light cycles, O2 levels and nitrate/phos. levels. It may or may not last and just end up as an empty space in the sump.
Empty space is still evaporation reserve. Or a decent place to toss and hold cuttings while you sell them etc or fish, soak driftwood etc, add a UV for the green water, or another mechanical filter etc.

If done right, even for a reef, you'll end up adding NO3/PO4 or more fish food etc.

Reverse cycles really do not work, as the CO2 is required for O2 addition and the gain is relatively small(100% vs 125-130% if you are a good grower). Emergent growth= no added O2, so you are stuck with adding CO2 no matter what and only for a small area vs the main tank. So you need to add lots of CO2 to both the refuge and the main tank for very little gain. That's not worth it no matter how it's sliced.

Reefs? A little bit for pH management but there's no CO2 added to the water, maybe just the Kalk/Ca reactor but then it's degassed prior to adding back to the main tank.

If the tank was 100% non CO2, well, you could scheme a system that would do okay, but you'd need some space between the overlap for the best results.

I'd suggest a tray system with pots, much like those window herb gardens and see how plants fair with the crowns in the water in various dirts/sediments and then the rest above water.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:38 PM   #432
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I'd suggest a tray system with pots, much like those window herb gardens and see how plants fair with the crowns in the water in various dirts/sediments and then the rest above water.
Thats an interesting idea actually. This is going to be in a sun room, so I could do some kind of gravity self draining tray system above the sump and outside the cabinets, kind of like an aquaponics system.

Guy on reefcentral with an insane 1500gallon tank system did something similar with a little mangroove aquaponics system in his pump room.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:56 PM   #433
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:26 PM   #434
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You just don't see this kind of planning/prep work put into freshwater tanks very often. I really love how you are borrowing elements from the reefing community and incorporating them into this to deal with a high bioload system. And hey, if it ends up a reef in the end that would be cool too!
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:24 AM   #435
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Thats an interesting idea actually. This is going to be in a sun room, so I could do some kind of gravity self draining tray system above the sump and outside the cabinets, kind of like an aquaponics system.

Guy on reefcentral with an insane 1500gallon tank system did something similar with a little mangroove aquaponics system in his pump room.
Are you referring to nineball's wall of mangrove? That setup is pretty killer.
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