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Old 07-20-2013, 06:39 PM   #31
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problem is planaria are flat worms and there are alot of different types. i have had them several times and never seen a shrimp die from what i have had. ive seen shrimp walking on them and right behind them. never lost a shrimp. not all flat worms are bad for shrimp. so unless i see alot i just leave them be now.
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problem is planaria are flat worms and there are alot of different types. i have had them several times and never seen a shrimp die from what i have had. ive seen shrimp walking on them and right behind them. never lost a shrimp. not all flat worms are bad for shrimp. so unless i see alot i just leave them be now.
thats about along the lines im thinking.

besides, for planaria, these guys are HUGE and REALLY COOL to look at under a microscope!

ok, so i never grew up...
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:13 PM   #33
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You both may be right, but retardo posted this on Shrimpnow:

If I had not seen it for myself, I would not have believed it!! I saw this cherry shrimp in one of my friend's tanks completely taken over by planaria and immobilized! This shrimp was egg-laden and still clinging to life...

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Seeing this was extremely frightening and I would recommend getting rid of any and all planaria in your tanks! I had believed that only weak or young shrimp would be able to be caught by planaria, but I watched as another healthy shrimp was attacked and overcome by planaria. Get fish that eat planaria or do as imke_j recommends and treat with flubendazole.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:40 PM   #34
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i already have the treatment ready just in case.

i wont use it though unless i see an actual problem. there are so many species of planaria that killing them indiscriminately would be like killing all birds because pigeons are a nuisance.
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You know more about that than I. heh
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Nematode is a general term to describe detritus eating worms, whereas planaria -- at least in our hobby -- is describing a triangular headed flatworm.

The triangle heads are assuredly bad for your tank, and if you see them: treat.

I ask, because most of what I see in your picture seems to be nematodes, but were there are nematodes, there sometimes can be planaria.
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:55 AM   #37
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Nematode is a general term to describe detritus eating worms, whereas planaria -- at least in our hobby -- is describing a triangular headed flatworm.

The triangle heads are assuredly bad for your tank, and if you see them: treat.

I ask, because most of what I see in your picture seems to be nematodes, but were there are nematodes, there sometimes can be planaria.
ok, thats why i wasnt sure what you meant. actual nematodes are microscopic worms, like microworms. most of them are parasitic.

i do have planaria, but they eat detritous. i also have some detritus eating oligochaets, dero worms.

so, form what i am understanding, they are a separate name specifically in the hobby for a flatworm that only eats detritous? well thats not confusing at all...

i think ill come up with a term for one of my beneficial leaches:
Aubanism. yep, thatl do.

so many worms to keep track of...
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Lol yeah. I just go by what I'm told.

Just be careful and have a solution --which you do -- ready.
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this is fantastic! thank you auban for doing this project. i will be following you from here on out.

i really hope this works out well for you.
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thing is the common cure (panacure) will only kill planaria and not all flatworms. and i have used it a time or to but they come back even when i dont add anything to the tank so i figure its not planaria i have seen. ive seen it in a few fish tanks as well. same result. and if you notice that shrimp in the pic is really white. i have not seen a shrimp white unless it was dead and those look more like leaches to me but i could be wrong. i have seen that pic also.
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Need to cut back on feeding.
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Need to cut back on feeding.
i disagree.
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i disagree.
Typically detritus worms are prevalent where there is too much extra food.

Swarms of them can be followed by a tank crash, as your cycle becomes unbalanced.

Maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't. Definitely evaluate your schedule of feeding based on how quickly the food is 100% eaten.
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Typically detritus worms are prevalent where there is too much extra food.

Swarms of them can be followed by a tank crash, as your cycle becomes unbalanced.

Maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't. Definitely evaluate your schedule of feeding based on how quickly the food is 100% eaten.
well, i didnt feed them for two months and then fed them once to get some decent pics.

i dont have detritus worms and planaria because of feedings, its because the tank is mature and the algae powers a complex and efficient transfer of "foods". basically, i got a little ecosystem going on.
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See? That's why I wouldn't make a declarative statement lol.

A good slimy tank wall keeps shrimp better than anything.
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