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Old 06-04-2013, 12:57 PM   #31
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Last week I grabbed some ferts out of my fridge and fed them a little. The next day they were melting. If you look at the current pic in the first post, it's gone downhill fast.

I was pretty confused at first, but then recall that I put excel in my ferts to keep them from getting mold. I'm fairly certain that's the killer again. I feel like a total idiot for forgetting that. That's now 3 times I've halted progress and killed plants during this dry start. I'm a bit frustrated with myself.
As I had mentioned 2 weeks ago, I was a [curse word] [curse word] and crashed my DSM by not leaving it alone. After 2 weeks, the situation has stabilized (HC stopped dying), so I dropped in some more HC to help fill back in faster. If I hadn't have killed it off so much, the tank would be flooded right now.

Anyway, here is the final kill off photo taken this morning before replanting. As you can see it's fairly substantial:



Here is how it looks now that I've filled it back in with about $10 worth of HC from the LFS:



I'll probably have to wait 2 weeks no matter what just to let the new stuff take root or it'll float. And from what I've seen after planting twice so far is that it takes 2 weeks before the new stuff starts spreading anyway.

This will probably go down in history as the slowest DSM ever performed.

The good thing is it's just sitting on my desk at work, so it's a fun learning experience and I'm not really bent out of shape over any of it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:11 PM   #32
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I have a bowl that's been DSMing for 3 months with just a few HC trimmings, it's almost fully carpeted now.
Which LFS did you go to? Tropiquatics, WOF, Wet World, Terre-Quatics, etc?
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Old 06-04-2013, 02:12 PM   #33
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I have a bowl that's been DSMing for 3 months with just a few HC trimmings, it's almost fully carpeted now.
LOL! Must be a Minnesota thing.
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Old 06-04-2013, 05:02 PM   #34
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You're not the only one... My Mr. Aqua 3 gallon bow-back did the same thing. Every few months I pull it out and reattempt. Just keep at it, can't wait to see you flood it, loving the scape!
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Old 06-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #35
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You're not the only one... My Mr. Aqua 3 gallon bow-back did the same thing. Every few months I pull it out and reattempt. Just keep at it, can't wait to see you flood it, loving the scape!
Thanks for encouragement bump! I was super excited for the first month or two, and the excitement has been slowly simmering down. It's hard to stay excited for months on end while you literally watch grass grow. Then you kill it. Then you watch more grow, only to then mostly kill it again. Then you watch it bounce back really strong and are just a week or two away... And then almost completely kill it again.

That said, I can't wait to flood it! I still love the scape, and above all, I'm learning a ton from the whole thing.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:44 PM   #36
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Updates??? I wanna see this tank flooded!
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:54 PM   #37
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Updates??? I wanna see this tank flooded!
I do too!!

It's killing me.

If you look at the live webcam at the bottom of the first post, you can see the HC is filling in pretty good. I really want 100% coverage first. I'm thinking < 2 weeks to flood. The HC is growing pretty fast right now.

Once flooded I have to figure out what other plants I want to put in there. Not sure what exactly just yet though...

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Old 06-18-2013, 02:18 PM   #38
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UPDATE: Now that I'm getting closer to flooding the tank, and the HC is really springing to life, I planted some staurogyne repens. I want one more plant for this tank, but I'm not sure what that'll be. I'mm thinking something grassy in the back. Any suggestions?

Here is how the staurogyne repens looks, and you can see how well the HC is filling in:



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Old 06-18-2013, 02:35 PM   #39
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Looking great.

You should consider sticking with just the plants you've got at the moment. I promise it's going to look amazing once the S. repens adjusts and starts to look thicker and more shrub-like.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:37 PM   #40
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Yeah, that's a really good point. And being so small at just under 3 gallons, it might get busy.
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Some will tell you that you need taller background plants but I disagree. The rocks and S. repens will provide a decent sense of height.

Only thing I would consider is adding a black background to help hide eventual tubing and such.
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:56 PM   #42
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Kind of similar to my scape. I just trimmed my s.repens back. Don't be afraid when you flood, to do this. Because the emmersed leaves will melt once flooded. As long as there are solid roots they will grow back thicker.
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Old 06-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #43
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FLOODING THE TANK TOMORROW!

The s.repens came from an existing tank (Tom Barr's). After looking into the s.repens going from immersed to emersed and then back to immersed, I could have some leaf issues. I don't think that's the best course of action. I've decided to just flood the tank. The filter (already seeded on my other tank), lily pipes, excel, ferts, 1 gallon jug, tubing, and everything I need are at home. I'm bringing it all into work tomorrow and will be flooding the tank a little after 7am.

The HC has one heck of a good start, so I think everything should be fine. I would have preferred 100% HC coverage, but I don't feel like waiting 2 more weeks. It's been WAY TOO LONG already!
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Good idea. S repens may have died back otherwise.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:36 PM   #45
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And... BOOM!

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