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Old 04-30-2013, 01:02 AM   #1
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shrimp only tank - CRS + RCS


apologies if asked before but when searching i couldnt find an answer.

i want to start a large bare bottom all shrimp tank with at least CRS and RCS will have driftwood and moss (marimo, java, christmas), green hair algae, java ferns - all low light plants. i know they definitely are compatible. reading the compatibilities charts floating out there - it seems like nothing else goes with these two combination. are there any other shrimps out there? even ghost shrimp seem like they will attack shrimplets?

it seems like the only fish that can for sure go this is combo are otos? problem with oto is this is a no sunlight tank - hence no algae. any other suggestions?

would a sprinkle of black worm survive? or would they foul out the water too much?

how about anything else? the first priority is the shrimps - and do no harm to them.
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:51 AM   #2
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Ottos should be fine, even low light tanks will develop biofilm or some algae for otto's to eat, furthermore you can supplement their diet with algae wafers


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Old 04-30-2013, 02:21 AM   #3
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You can feed your otos. They dont just eat algae. zucchini is generally a favorite. I've read threads of ppl feeding all kinds of things to their otos. cucumbers, peas, spinach.
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Have you kept sensitive shrimp like Crystals before? If so, for how long?

Running a bare bottom tank with shrimp with specific parameter requirements takes experience.
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can you elaborate on requiring experience for bare bottom?

ive had them for a few months - not too long. i figure it was the other way around: i can control the situation much better with a larger tank, no substrate and lots of moss. i do mean i have lots of moss - in a 55g i pretty much have the entire floor covered in either driftwood, moss or sponge filter
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Old 04-30-2013, 04:03 AM   #6
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with bare bottom you wont have substrate which also houses the beneficial bacteria. so your best bet is to get a bunch of sponge filters. and maybe a canister filter as well since these two house a lot of BB. also with bare bottom tanks, you'd have to make sure your water parameters such as ph, gh, kh is the same all the time. people use ADA soil and other such soils not only for plants, but because it buffers the ph as well.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:02 AM   #7
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i see. i think i should be good with 2 hydro sponge filters rated for 80g each (in a 55g). for no more than 20 shrimps.

as for constant params... i change quarter gallon of water every day in a tank about 40-50g of water.

so... i *should* be ok. right? i did research on soil and it sounds like ADA was the only way to go (i had eco complete and flourite available but there seem to be forum complaints on them) but too expensive to cover a 55g.

so back on topic... what else could add in this lonely but large tank?
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:09 AM   #8
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A quarter gallon of water per day in a 55 gallon tank? That will have virtually no effect.
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10% a month on a 40-50 gallon volume with no daily swings on water parameter. better than 0% water change.

so back on topic... what else could add in this lonely but large tank?
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10% a month on a 40-50 gallon volume with no daily swings on water parameter. better than 0% water change.

so back on topic... what else could add in this lonely but large tank?

I have male endlers with my cherry shrimp and getting lots of baby shrimp the much bigger endlers females are LETHAL for shrimp but the males ignore even small shrimp.

I do feed them flake every other day.

It is a planted tank.
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i keep least kilifish with my pfr and crs. they ignore my babies lol
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Filtration won't have much to do with whether you can maintain a constant KH, GH, pH. If you haven't mastered water parameters, it's going to be tough to maintain a stable and healthy environment for sensitive shrimp without a buffering substrate.

If you can, save up for Aquasoil. $60US for two 9L bags is worth it. Especially if you're keeping Crystals.

As others have mentioned, swapping out a quart of water per day from a 55gal tank won't matter much. Swap out 5-6 gallons once per week. 10-15% is pretty standard for shrimp.
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as for constant params... i change quarter gallon of water every day in a tank about 40-50g of water.

10% a month on a 40-50 gallon volume with no daily swings on water parameter. better than 0% water change.

so back on topic... what else could add in this lonely but large tank?
It does not really work like that due to dilution (but that is a whole separate topic). However it seems you have it all figured out. What exactly is your question


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Question: What (non-plant) can I can put in a CRS + RCS tank other than otos?
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Old 05-01-2013, 01:04 PM   #15
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Your mileage will vary with any fish you house in a shrimp tank. Beyond Otos, just know that anything that can fit in the mouth of your fish can become an expensive meal.
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