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Old 04-22-2013, 03:06 AM   #1
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I came home from a long day at work and my tank is completely hazy, 2 of my 6 fish are belly up on the surface. the rest trying there best to stay right side up. They are all bloated and seemingly have a slight mucus on them since when I did an emergency 75% water change they all have micro bubbles on them.

Any idea as to what happened? Or what I can do to save what fish I have other then the water change I just did.

I have been combating algae but I haven't done anything other then rubbing down the plants/glass with my fingers and then doing a 50% water change. Did that three days ago, and 6 days before that.


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Old 04-22-2013, 05:09 AM   #2
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Even with the water change I have lost another two fish. the others are breathing hard and trying to stay right side up
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Dosing co2? Is there much oxygen in the tank? Seeing no replies Ill do my best, try to describe your tank conditions and setup
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Ammonia spike?
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Old 04-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #5
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Well it has no Co2, it runs around 75 degrees from ambient temperature, no heater. Fugray light, turtle 501 filter using the spray bar. Lights are on a timer, recently removed 2 hours from the middle of the light cycle to combat algae. I have sand capped eco complete as substrate.

14 gallon tall tank, with 6 long finned zebra danios.

I think it was just ammonia but even after the waterchange fish still died.

Reading was on alert on my seachem ammonia alert, and thats at .05ppm
After waterchange it was in the safe range, and I am looking at the tank now and its back on alert.

Water test-
ph- 7.2
kh- 100
gh- 150
no3- 10
no2- 1.0
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Old 04-22-2013, 02:59 PM   #6
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How long has this tank been set up? It doesn't sound like it is completely cycled.

Are you using any water conditioner when you add new water? What brand?
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How long has this tank been set up? It doesn't sound like it is completely cycled.

Are you using any water conditioner when you add new water? What brand?
+1 sounds like incomplete cycle or recycling for some reason.

If fish gills are damaged from the first spike, they may not recover.
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Take was set up in October, I then broke it down to move to Michigan in early December, its been up and running since.

Had a betta since first set up, accidentally gassed her on my first Co2 diy attempt. Ditched Co2 altogether and haven't used it since. After close to two months of empty tank I got over the shock of the gassing and got 3 danios in February, as community fish they weren't very happy, I did add another 3 danios 6 weeks ago.

6 fish in 14 gallons is hardly at bio-load capacity.

What would cause a recycle?

Should I have broke down the tank and started over after the gassing? Could something be in the substrate that caused something like this?

All the fish are floating in the "death bucket" except one is sunken, if that info matters.
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When was the last time you cleaned your filter media?
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:54 PM   #10
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Maybe something on your hands when you cleaned algae? Your ammonia is still high and some fish are super sensitive to ammonia spikes. If bubbles are sticking to them, I wonder if they have a slime problem. Try dosing Melafix or Pimafix? There's another solution for helping fish slime coat but I forget the name off the top of my head. Petco/Petsmart sells it.

Are you sure they're micro bubbles? From the picture it looks like ich.
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I would cut back on feeding. You have some really murky water, and I think I see a piece of food resting on that Madagascar lace.
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Hmmm seems like itch
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:52 PM   #13
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Well it has no Co2, it runs around 75 degrees from ambient temperature, no heater. Fugray light, turtle 501 filter using the spray bar. Lights are on a timer, recently removed 2 hours from the middle of the light cycle to combat algae. I have sand capped eco complete as substrate.

14 gallon tall tank, with 6 long finned zebra danios.

I think it was just ammonia but even after the waterchange fish still died.

Reading was on alert on my seachem ammonia alert, and thats at .05ppm
After waterchange it was in the safe range, and I am looking at the tank now and its back on alert.

Water test-
ph- 7.2
kh- 100
gh- 150
no3- 10
no2- 1.0
Erm.... NO2 at 1.0 ?

I'm surprised no-one has picked up on this!
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:07 PM   #14
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Well woke up this morning to the remaining two fish dead as well I am guessing at this point their gills were damaged beyond what they could heal. Removed the fish and did another 75% water change. All readings are at 0 that are important and water has cleared up. Pretty bummed out about this. Thats two full tank deaths in less then a year. One my fault for being dumb, this one a recycle for I have no idea why.

Can someone explain why tanks spontaneously recycle?

Gonna do a full tank rescape since I have no bioload, any suggestions?
Good place for rocks in Newport, MI area? I work in Toledo so I am open to stores around there too.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:18 PM   #15
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I would look into the no2 lvls, the nitrites are poisonous. (but they arnt insane)
14gal is small enough that something like hand lotion or antibacterial soap could get in and mess things up

The ammonia doesnt seem crazy though.. so i am still curious.

also tbh
+1 on ich the fish look emaciated and late stage ich makes the fish look sunken and sick like that ):
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