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Old 04-20-2013, 10:53 PM   #16
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Super tigers are wild too? That's awesome, I didn't know that.

Is a shadow panda just a grade of black Taiwan bee or is it a black x blue or something?
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BKK cross with BB I would think or a mutation of the BKK
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:21 AM   #18
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This is pretty awesome!
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Old 04-21-2013, 04:05 AM   #19
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Default Shrimp Family Tree Project (part 1 - caridina cantonensis)

I'm not a Cardinia master like some people here. I'll follow along, and I appreciate your work thus far.
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Red tiger is wild, found in china I believe
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BKK cross with BB I would think or a mutation of the BKK
Mine all have come from bkk x bkk, no blue bolt
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this is going to be awesome. can't wait for this tree to be finished.
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Ok I thought it was just a mutation so it can be added as just a standard tb


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Ok all you tiger enthusiasts out there, I need your help.

I have been searching all over the internet and these are the most comprehensive grading charts I've been able to find:





My questions for you guys:

a) Do these look right to you? Are these the most common names for these breeds? Do any of them go by other names?

b) How does the breeding work with these guys? Do they all fit on a grading spectrum like crystal reds (A ---> SSS) or is it a grid like the Taiwan bees?

c) Do blues come from BTOEs and the blacks from regular/super tigers, or what? Where do all the shrimp in the above charts come from?

d) Are any of these created by blending different tigers? For example, the one with red stripes ... is it a BTOE x red tiger mix or do the red stripes just spontaneously appear in BTOE populations?

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p.s. Do you think I'd have to do two entries for black diamond (black eyes) and black diamond (orange eyes)? It seems to me like they're both just black diamonds.... in my own CRS population, some have black eyes and some have red, but they're all still just CRS... right? How big a deal is eye color in tiger shrimps?
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Ok all you tiger enthusiasts out there, I need your help.

I have been searching all over the internet and these are the most comprehensive grading charts I've been able to find:





My questions for you guys:

a) Do these look right to you? Are these the most common names for these breeds? Do any of them go by other names?

b) How does the breeding work with these guys? Do they all fit on a grading spectrum like crystal reds (A ---> SSS) or is it a grid like the Taiwan bees?

c) Do blues come from BTOEs and the blacks from regular/super tigers, or what? Where do all the shrimp in the above charts come from?

d) Are any of these created by blending different tigers? For example, the one with red stripes ... is it a BTOE x red tiger mix or do the red stripes just spontaneously appear in BTOE populations?

Help

p.s. Do you think I'd have to do two entries for black diamond (black eyes) and black diamond (orange eyes)? It seems to me like they're both just black diamonds.... in my own CRS population, some have black eyes and some have red, but they're all still just CRS... right? How big a deal is eye color in tiger shrimps?
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A. These are superfluous names. OBETs are just OBETs, they don't breed true 100%. It is a commonly known thing that they throw out blonde.

I don't know about the red stripe one... But royal blue shrimp don't all have orange eyes. They're definitely not OBETs.

B. See above.. The OBETs won't throw royal blue unless there's an odd mutation, and they won't throw red either. I wouldn't list different grades of OBETs.

You'll have to get someone else for C and D.
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Royals come from BTOE, and BTOE come from Black tigers breed for the black strips until they covered the whole body.
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Very neat, honestly you could print some posters when finished and see what happens
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UPDATE


This suddenly got very dense. Please let me know if any of the text is difficult to read so I can fix it. Also, I am not a graphic designer, so I am grateful for any advice from those of you who are!

I've been doing a lot of research and I think the tiger section is correct now. Maybe.

What is the difference between a pinto and a fancy tiger? I'm having trouble telling them apart. If anyone can post some pictures of very representative examples that would be awesome... It may take me a bit of time to color in all these shrimps so the faster I can get reference materials together the better!

Thanks everyone!
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Fancy tiger is a mix between crs and tiger, basically a tiger with black and white stripes or red and white stripes. A pinto is a cross between taiwan bee and tiger, f2 and higher.

Also, a golden bee is not a mix of orange bee and snow white, it's a mutation just like white crystal or taiwan bee.

And I don't think orange bee is what crs comes from either. I think they are from two separate regions.

Also, blue bolt and red bolt aren't from snow whites, they're from Goldens crossed to bkk or wr, usually not present until f3
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Wow, I was way off on the golden and snow white stuff. Thanks for correcting me!

Ok, the wild bee isthis guy, right? Do you know if this or the orange bee are descended from one another or are they totally independent of each other?

I have the red tiger and super tiger marked as being descended from the normal tiger and I don't know if that's correct, either.

Thanks for clearing up all these things. It's a really big help!
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