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Old 04-17-2013, 03:55 PM   #46
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The chain stores do this already--but folks don't bother to read 'em, or have at one point or another heard the old saw about fish only growing as large as their tank. And I've heard employees TRY to steer people away from bad choices, but be overruled or ignored.
Never seen fish sizes in a chain store. As we can see by the OP that common plecos can get to be up to over 2 feet I dont think most people seeing that would bother buying it. One of the lfs around here actually has some larger adult fish that they show to people when buying like a Black ghost thats about 12" and a pleco thats about 18". Still people do buy them. I have a friend with a 10g tank and a 6" pleco in it that I keep warning her about
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:10 PM   #47
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Chain store's and most LFS are in it to make the money and pay the bills. If a person wants to buy a 12" Pleco and the employee convinces him not to the boss will probably have a long talk to the employee that he just lost them $___.__ and this and that. Aswell the #1 rule when working is "The customer is always right".
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:32 PM   #48
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No, stick around, we should be able to discuss a topic like this in an adult manner.These topics should be talked about.

"Fish Police" for example. I do feel all retailers should take some moral responsibility vs. just selling anything to anyone with money. I don't think they should cross the line and get self-righteous.

I do try to be empathic for the clerk, try to keep in mind
"WE" don't walk in with a Blue Ribbon on our chest that says, "1st place - Fish Keeper".

As a customer I've overheard conversation where I wanted to grab the customer, yell out "NO FISH FOR YOU" and escort them out of the store.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:37 PM   #49
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I have to control myself every time I go to a store that sells fish. I hear the misinformation and want to soooo badly correct the person(s), but I also hate it when I go somewhere and some nosy fellow customer butts his/her head into a sale and tries to correct people. So I keep my mouth closed to keep from being "that guy".

I will say though its very refreshing when someone working the fish section actually knows most of what they're talking about. I had a lovely conversation with a guy working at Petco a couple weeks ago about planted tanks.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:52 PM   #50
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Happily, there ARE things you can do to help nudge things in the right direction.

When you're in a chain store and there's a knowledgable GOOD clerk working the fish area---acknowledge them and express your appreciation for their good work even if you're not buying anything yourself. Give 'em some good strokes. If you've got the time, find the manager and express your appreciation to them as well, or send an email to the store. Make sure that employee feels valued and VALIDATED in their position.

If you're shopping in a store and have the opportunity to interact with folks who are looking at fish--DO. If they're experienced, great-you just had a nice interactin. If they're new/confused-take the opportunity to point out a few facts or comment on the fish they're looking at. If they're receptive, you can answer questions. If not, oh well--you tried. As for not being "that guy"? Communication is a skill, the more you practice the better you get.

Don't buy from bad stores. If it's an LFS, tell the manager why you aren't shopping there (dyed fish, misinformation, etc). If it's a chain, write to the corporate address and identify the store and your specific complaints in a polite and concise manner. Good feedback goes to the local level, complaints go to the next level up.

Don't buy problematic fish from stores that aren't selling them responsibly. "rescuing" fish from a store by buying them only encourages continued stocking of that item.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:32 PM   #51
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^ Good advice.

Its not a communication problem on my part, theres just rarely a good opportunity to work it into conversation with a complete stranger. Either you end up making the store employee look like a liar (and subsequently yourself like a know-it-all) or the person thinks you're a weirdo haha.
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Old 04-17-2013, 06:30 PM   #52
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Happily, there ARE things you can do to help nudge things in the right direction.

When you're in a chain store and there's a knowledgable GOOD clerk working the fish area---acknowledge them and express your appreciation for their good work even if you're not buying anything yourself. Give 'em some good strokes. If you've got the time, find the manager and express your appreciation to them as well, or send an email to the store. Make sure that employee feels valued and VALIDATED in their position.

If you're shopping in a store and have the opportunity to interact with folks who are looking at fish--DO. If they're experienced, great-you just had a nice interactin. If they're new/confused-take the opportunity to point out a few facts or comment on the fish they're looking at. If they're receptive, you can answer questions. If not, oh well--you tried. As for not being "that guy"? Communication is a skill, the more you practice the better you get.

Don't buy from bad stores. If it's an LFS, tell the manager why you aren't shopping there (dyed fish, misinformation, etc). If it's a chain, write to the corporate address and identify the store and your specific complaints in a polite and concise manner. Good feedback goes to the local level, complaints go to the next level up.

Don't buy problematic fish from stores that aren't selling them responsibly. "rescuing" fish from a store by buying them only encourages continued stocking of that item.
Well said.
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:56 PM   #53
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No, stick around, we should be able to discuss a topic like this in an adult manner.These topics should be talked about.
i think you're on the wrong forum
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Knotyoureality - Love the positive attitude, you're a great ambassador of the hobby.!




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....Its not a communication problem on my part, theres just rarely a good opportunity to work it into conversation with a complete stranger.
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A good start is what kind of fish do you keep? Followed with "those are pretty cool". Followed by, "how are they doing for you?"

If there's an opportunity to offer constructive advice, from you experience now your less likey to come off as a know it all and more likely to be treated like a fellow hobbyist that had a good thought.

Really it's not the message content it's how it's delivered.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:37 PM   #55
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A good start is what kind of fish do you keep? Followed with "those are pretty cool". Followed by, "how are they doing for you?"

If there's an opportunity to offer constructive advice, from you experience now your less likey to come off as a know it all and more likely to be treated like a fellow hobbyist that had a good thought.

Really it's not the message content it's how it's delivered.
Agreed and if they looked like a "hobbyist" persay, I'd be more than willing. More often than not its parents buying fish with their little kids that get told the wrong things.

Everyone has to start somewhere though and I know for a fact that when I was little the fish tanks my parents set up for me were not suitable for their enhabitants. When I got older we upgraded to a larger tank and my dad had gained a decent amount of knowledge since we first started, so that tank was much better. Mainly stuck by the "inch per gallon" rule than anything and didn't take into consideration schooling behavior or overall swimming room. Although on a couple occasions he told me that we couldn't buy a certain fish because it would get too big or was too aggressive for a community tank haha. Once I was around 19 and got back into the hobby for myself I did tons of research and made sure to do things right the first time.

But anyways back on topic lol.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:42 AM   #56
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Never seen fish sizes in a chain store. As we can see by the OP that common plecos can get to be up to over 2 feet I dont think most people seeing that would bother buying it. One of the lfs around here actually has some larger adult fish that they show to people when buying like a Black ghost thats about 12" and a pleco thats about 18". Still people do buy them. I have a friend with a 10g tank and a 6" pleco in it that I keep warning her about
Both Petco and Petsmart in my area have this info available on the display tank, along with the price andif it's a schooling fish or not.
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Back to the original topic of the common plecos - I see no reason to sell them in pet stores. There are very very few people who can house them properly - those who can could have them special ordered if they really wanted them. What they should be selling are BN's or other smaller plecos.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:51 AM   #58
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Back to the original topic of the common plecos - I see no reason to sell them in pet stores. There are very very few people who can house them properly - those who can could have them special ordered if they really wanted them. What they should be selling are BN's or other smaller plecos.
Add to that list most Central and South American cichlids, (oscars, managuense, etc, etc, etc) Marble Sailfiin cats, Red Tail Cats, Arowanas, Shovel nosed catfish, most marine fish that you see for sail, Pacus, Gouramis (the ones that get huge) a majority of the reptiles for sale, etc, etc, etc.

Plecos are the least of the problems.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:34 AM   #59
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I just wanted to share my experience since I work at a LFS. Some people just dont want to listen to my advice. Some things I try to tell them go against everything they have ever known, such as keeping a goldfish in a bowl. I try to explain to them that it is wrong, and they just give me a blank face like I just told them I saw bigfoot. If I pressure them too much, they just go to the petsmart down the road and buy it, so after all these years I have just learned to keep my mouth shut about certain things. I feel like it is ultimately the consumers responsibility to research the demands of their pets.

However, If they seem open minded, willing to learn, and/or ask me questions or advice on their tank, I will give them all the advice and accurate information I possibly can. Some answers I dont know, I look them up online or in a book and get back to them while they are shopping around.

Some of the customers that come into my store though,..... I wish I could lock them up in a 5x5 room with no ventilation and see how long they survive in their own waste. Ignorant fools.
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Add to that list most Central and South American cichlids, (oscars, managuense, etc, etc, etc) Marble Sailfiin cats, Red Tail Cats, Arowanas, Shovel nosed catfish, most marine fish that you see for sail, Pacus, Gouramis (the ones that get huge) a majority of the reptiles for sale, etc, etc, etc.

Plecos are the least of the problems.
I agree with this, there are many fish that simply should not be sold in pet stores.

This is fundamentally different than than having a list of fish that can not be sold in pet stores.
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