checkerboard cichlid and nitrates
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > Specific Aspects of a Planted Tank > Fish


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-04-2013, 04:08 AM   #1
starquestMM
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 103
Default

checkerboard cichlid and nitrates


A lot of the online info for checkerboards says they are very intolerant of nitrates. There are lot of posts here and elsewhere about keeping them in a planted tank, which has to have nitrates.

So what gives? Do they tolerate a certain level, say 10ppm? Are they going to die above 30ppm? Anybody have any experience with this?
starquestMM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 04-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #2
CrypticLifeStyle
Wannabe Guru
 
PTrader: (8/100%)
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,308
Default

I found this article to be pretty spot on if you havnt read it yet

http://www.tfhmagazine.com/details/a...lamentosus.htm

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profile...ies.php?id=221

http://www.cichlidae.com/article.php?id=131
__________________
I'm not into the image, but into the hobby...
CrypticLifeStyle is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 12:55 AM   #3
starquestMM
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 103
Default

I had read the first one and it says 0 nitrates. Maybe they are implying to use only root feeders and not to dose the watercolumn?
starquestMM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 01:04 AM   #4
mnemenoi
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
mnemenoi's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Spring, Tx.
Posts: 364
Default

I have seen them in a few stores that I know have Nitrate issues (30+ at least) and they always did fine. I would say allow it to increase to 10 and just watch them closely. The few the store had never would sell and they had them for months on end and I think no one else noticed them. Very cool little cichlid and always wanted to do a blackwater biotope tank with them as the centerpiece...
__________________
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" Desiderius Erasmus
mnemenoi is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 01:18 AM   #5
salmon
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
salmon's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: "Wet Coast" B.C.
Posts: 562
Default

i believe the main point regarding low/no nitrates really pertains to successfully breeding them more so than just keeping them. especially with wilds. also different species of checkerboards I believe are more sensitive, again especially wilds.
__________________
Salmons ADA 75-P Rockscape on DSM / 13g Rimless / 12g Rimless Club / 12g rimless - not yet started / Cannon Pimp Club #009 -T3i
salmon is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 02:33 AM   #6
starquestMM
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 103
Default

Ok thanks, I feel more comfortable now. It would be nice to breed them, but its a community tank so thats going to be tough anyway.

If I have problems, I guess I could go to daily dosing a smaller amount of ferts so the nitrate spikes won't be so high.
starquestMM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 02:37 AM   #7
keithy
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
PTrader: (10/100%)
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marietta, GA
Posts: 864
Default

I believe Tom have/had these in his s. repens tank dosing full fledged EI.
__________________
Proud 39th Member of the RAOK club!
keithy is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-05-2013, 02:38 AM   #8
mnemenoi
Planted Tank Obsessed
 
mnemenoi's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Spring, Tx.
Posts: 364
Default

I think you'll be fine, just give it a try and see how they react. The specimens at the store were tossed in numerous tanks with a mix of different things and I actually expected to not see them the next time I went in and they were eventually sold almost a year later. I think it was seeing them do that well in that shaky of conditions that made me really look at them as a viable option. Their Apistos and discus did not fare nearly as well. I'm sure they were in our normal tap water at a Ph of 8.0+... Really amazing little fish. Post up pics if you get some, love seeing them!
__________________
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" Desiderius Erasmus
mnemenoi is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 12:50 AM   #9
salmon
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
salmon's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: "Wet Coast" B.C.
Posts: 562
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by starquestMM View Post
Ok thanks, I feel more comfortable now. It would be nice to breed them, but its a community tank so thats going to be tough anyway.

If I have problems, I guess I could go to daily dosing a smaller amount of ferts so the nitrate spikes won't be so high.
A well filtered, well maintained (weekly WC if dosing) tank will suit them just fine. If I were to guess I'd say a stable pH is more important for them than worrying about no3, esp in a planted setup. oak leaves, IAL's etc will be appreciated, both for params and other beneficial properties. they like planted tanks, and some driftwood will make them feel more at home. Seeing the courting and parental care in a comm tank is a sight to see, its raising the wigglers and fry that is the tricky part.

What type of Checkerboards are you referring to?
__________________
Salmons ADA 75-P Rockscape on DSM / 13g Rimless / 12g Rimless Club / 12g rimless - not yet started / Cannon Pimp Club #009 -T3i
salmon is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 12:52 AM   #10
LB79
Wannabe Guru
 
LB79's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: South-central Washington State, USA
Posts: 1,920
Default

They're tough once acclimated. Just keep everything stable.
__________________
"One day...one day, this path will lead us to the White City, and the tower guard will take up the call: the Lords of Gondor have returned!"

–Boromir, The Lord Of The Rings
LB79 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 01:56 AM   #11
starquestMM
Algae Grower
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 103
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by salmon View Post
A well filtered, well maintained (weekly WC if dosing) tank will suit them just fine. If I were to guess I'd say a stable pH is more important for them than worrying about no3, esp in a planted setup. oak leaves, IAL's etc will be appreciated, both for params and other beneficial properties. they like planted tanks, and some driftwood will make them feel more at home. Seeing the courting and parental care in a comm tank is a sight to see, its raising the wigglers and fry that is the tricky part.

What type of Checkerboards are you referring to?
Dicrossus filamentosus. I set up this 40b with the goal to house dwarfs of some type and with warmer weather its time to choose I was leaning towards opals, but I am going to go ahead and try the checkerboards. I will get some IAL.

I've never gotten any of the smaller cichlids to spawn. I've had double reds and two types of shell dwellers with no luck. Bigger cichlids like Jack dempseys and blue haps wouldn't stop spawning on the other hand, but the behavior just isn't as interesting...
starquestMM is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-06-2013, 03:15 AM   #12
salmon
Planted Tank Enthusiast
 
salmon's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: "Wet Coast" B.C.
Posts: 562
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by starquestMM View Post
Dicrossus filamentosus. I set up this 40b with the goal to house dwarfs of some type and with warmer weather its time to choose I was leaning towards opals, but I am going to go ahead and try the checkerboards. I will get some IAL.

I've never gotten any of the smaller cichlids to spawn. I've had double reds and two types of shell dwellers with no luck. Bigger cichlids like Jack dempseys and blue haps wouldn't stop spawning on the other hand, but the behavior just isn't as interesting...
ahh my experience is with dicrossus maculatus. although basically the same other than the males tail. also i do believe i've read the fils can be more sensitive to params.....no3 etc...especially with breeding. but im still a noob so take my advice with a grain of salt

they really are interesting fish. in a 40b you could easily do 6 or more in a harem. i would also recommend the maculatus if you can find them, ime had success with them breeding in a planted setup....lost my fry though .

could share a pic or vid of mine if youd like, very underrated fish
__________________
Salmons ADA 75-P Rockscape on DSM / 13g Rimless / 12g Rimless Club / 12g rimless - not yet started / Cannon Pimp Club #009 -T3i
salmon is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012