Ei?

masYPSI · 08-26-2006, 03:42 AM

I have a question. Every were they talk about EI its mostly for high light tanks. Even on this site, the regemins are for high light. Some one suggested using the "tank (2)" schedule from this site, because of the low light condition. So what do you think?

OH! I will have a 75g with 1.5wpg. Low watts because I will have discus. I would really like to have a good handle on dosing so I don't have any problems. I figure I can learn form others mistakes so I don't make any. Or at least not as many.

billionzz · 08-26-2006, 06:26 AM

Here's a link for you to check out.

Barr Report - EI "light" for the less techical aspects of the Estimative index

**plantbrain** · 08-28-2006, 06:09 AM

I just set up a tank with 4 x 1000W MH's with Discus, I had Discus and bred them with 4 w/gal of MH';s, they don't mind the light if you provide cover for them.

At 1.52 w a gallon, I set up a very nice heavily stocked Discus tank with 150 gal and have excellent gloss and full plant growth. CO2 is added(much mor ethe critical issue than light).

It's not hard to do a nice tank with less light.
Just dose 2x a week instead with the same routines suggested for full EI.

50-60% water changes.
Fish are fat and healthy, tank is stable and nice.

Regards,
Tom Barr

cornhusker · 08-28-2006, 10:14 PM

Plantbrain,i have a 75 gal tank,220 watts of light that has been on co2 forever.i decided to try out the tank as a low tech tank.i still use same dosage program as before discontinuing co2,but use excell instead.7 capfulls at 50% water change and 3 caps every other day.i don't have any hard plants to grow,(crypts,anubias,and a beautifull cardinal plant,tall form).has been off co2 diet for about a month,and tank looks better than before..is this just a quirk?regards,cornhusker

**plantbrain** · 08-29-2006, 06:40 AM

Try going to 2 cheap 2x40w shop lights and triton bulbs.
You have a lot of light even for Excel.

Regards,
Tom Barr

beznsarah · 09-08-2006, 07:48 PM

Tom,

Why do you think 1.5wpg is too much light for Excel or even a low tech tank for that matter? I'd read a article you wrote on non-co2 thanks and in it you recomend 1.5 to 2wpg.

Barr Report - Non CO2 methods

Has you recommendation changed on that? I have a 75 gal myself with 1.45 wpg and i'm having some problems with algae but I think my problem is that I didn't start off with enough plant mass.

Thanks in advance

tazcrash69 · 09-08-2006, 08:03 PM

I think Tom was referring to cornhusker's "Plantbrain,i have a 75 gal tank,220 watts of light".

That's ~2.9 WPG

beznsarah · 09-08-2006, 08:12 PM

yes, yes I see that. I guess i overlooked that post, sorry !

08-26-2006, 03:42 AM	#1
masYPSI Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ypsilanti MI Posts: 98	Ei? I have a question. Every were they talk about EI its mostly for high light tanks. Even on this site, the regemins are for high light. Some one suggested using the "tank (2)" schedule from this site, because of the low light condition. So what do you think? OH! I will have a 75g with 1.5wpg. Low watts because I will have discus. I would really like to have a good handle on dosing so I don't have any problems. I figure I can learn form others mistakes so I don't make any. Or at least not as many. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x94/mas77indy/ 75g, 3-56w t5s (11hrs, 5hrs full light), 74degsF, PH 6.8, Eheim 2217, siolmaster select, 3 Otto's, 14 ghost shrimp, 4 Red Phantom, 4 Black Phantoms, 20 White Clouds, 2 julidochromis marlieri, 1 farowella, 5 martii swords, Rotala roundfolia, Rotala macrandra, Rotala goias, 2 Java Ferns, 1 Anubia 'nana, 3 crispus, 1 Amazon Sword (narrow), A bunch of Water Lettuce, Ludwiga Repens,

08-28-2006, 06:09 AM	#3
plantbrain Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (231/100%) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The swamp Posts: 11,981	I just set up a tank with 4 x 1000W MH's with Discus, I had Discus and bred them with 4 w/gal of MH';s, they don't mind the light if you provide cover for them. At 1.52 w a gallon, I set up a very nice heavily stocked Discus tank with 150 gal and have excellent gloss and full plant growth. CO2 is added(much mor ethe critical issue than light). It's not hard to do a nice tank with less light. Just dose 2x a week instead with the same routines suggested for full EI. 50-60% water changes. Fish are fat and healthy, tank is stable and nice. Regards, Tom Barr __________________ Regards, Tom Barr

08-28-2006, 10:14 PM	#4
cornhusker Planted Member (View User Tanks) PTrader: (9/100%) Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: crete,neb 68333 Posts: 192	EI and low light Plantbrain,i have a 75 gal tank,220 watts of light that has been on co2 forever.i decided to try out the tank as a low tech tank.i still use same dosage program as before discontinuing co2,but use excell instead.7 capfulls at 50% water change and 3 caps every other day.i don't have any hard plants to grow,(crypts,anubias,and a beautifull cardinal plant,tall form).has been off co2 diet for about a month,and tank looks better than before..is this just a quirk?regards,cornhusker

08-29-2006, 06:40 AM	#5
plantbrain Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (231/100%) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The swamp Posts: 11,981	Try going to 2 cheap 2x40w shop lights and triton bulbs. You have a lot of light even for Excel. Regards, Tom Barr __________________ Regards, Tom Barr

09-08-2006, 08:03 PM	#7
tazcrash69 Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (22/100%) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hawthorne, NJ Posts: 3,207	I think Tom was referring to cornhusker's "Plantbrain,i have a 75 gal tank,220 watts of light". That's ~2.9 WPG __________________ Walter Visit my 125 profile and gallery or my 5 gallon low-tech. Proud member of: --May the floor under your tank always be dry, and your glass clear!!!

08-26-2006, 06:26 AM	#2
billionzz Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (32/100%) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 121	Here's a link for you to check out. Barr Report - EI "light" for the less techical aspects of the Estimative index

09-08-2006, 07:48 PM	#6
beznsarah Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: texas Posts: 43	Tom, Why do you think 1.5wpg is too much light for Excel or even a low tech tank for that matter? I'd read a article you wrote on non-co2 thanks and in it you recomend 1.5 to 2wpg. Barr Report - Non CO2 methods Has you recommendation changed on that? I have a 75 gal myself with 1.45 wpg and i'm having some problems with algae but I think my problem is that I didn't start off with enough plant mass. Thanks in advance

09-08-2006, 08:12 PM	#8
beznsarah Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: texas Posts: 43	yes, yes I see that. I guess i overlooked that post, sorry !

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