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Old 03-26-2013, 04:15 PM   #1
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Hillstream/Borneo Loach Refuge


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i have been keeping them in my 29g (for those unfamiliar with me). but I have been planning in my mind for quit some time a 40breeder build for them. i've got the tank. and nearly everything else planed out except two things. number one problem is my river bed. i want to have a smooth flat rock river bed that will have some curves in it, for them that will have very high flow running through it. i don't want to cobble pieces together to do this, i want one long piece of rock, but i don't know what kind of rock would be the best (and hopefully cheapest) rock to use. my first thought was granite, but i think that would be a little pricey. however i can not come up with another rock that would be custom cut to do what i want.

the second decision i have to make is how to get the flow into the river bed. as far as i can think i have two options. the first on is to have the river begin in the back of the tank, or on one of the sides and have a hole cut run the flow up from the canister filter (there will be two canisters running on the tank, one very high flow for the river bed, and one for the rest of the tank). i like this option because it keeps the inside of the tank clean and neat, however it really limits where the river can begin.

the other thought i have is to run the hose up the back side of the tank, and bury it in the substrate. i like this option because it allows me to begin the river almost anywhere in the tank, however it is not a clean look having the hose running up and down the back side of the tank. and i run a risk of the hose first, not staying under the substrate, and second well i just forgot the other one :-(.



anyway that is the challenge i am currently at, its really got spinning my tires because this is the most important part of my tank.

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Old 03-26-2013, 04:43 PM   #2
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You could use two circulation pumps at one end and the filter at another end

Try a rock quarry for the rock that you want, I personally don't know what kind would be best though. They usually charge pretty low and have a BIG selection.



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i would pull a page from the saltwater guys, drill the back of the tank and run your pipes/tubing/ext through there. Then either use the canister filter or a closed loop system with a pump. When looking at how to make a tank cleaner and have less equipment seems saltwater is way ahead of freshwater for the most part. They've already been there did that.
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You could use two circulation pumps at one end and the filter at another end

Try a rock quarry for the rock that you want, I personally don't know what kind would be best though. They usually charge pretty low and have a BIG selection.

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i've been, the biggest problem is that 95% of the rock in quarries here is limestone, which i do not want in my tank. that and well the ones in the area do not have rocks that are a slab that can be cut to work as i need it to. the only rock they have that isn't limestone is the river rocks which again doesn't give me the smooth cut slab i want

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i would pull a page from the saltwater guys, drill the back of the tank and run your pipes/tubing/ext through there. Then either use the canister filter or a closed loop system with a pump. When looking at how to make a tank cleaner and have less equipment seems saltwater is way ahead of freshwater for the most part. They've already been there did that.
i could drill the back and then run a hose to the front of the tank, that would eliminate the hose hanging down the back of the tank, and the need to secure the hose under the substrate...

i want to stick with two canisters, i found these loaches to be sensitive water fluxuations in quality, esp ammonia spikes, and i want to minimize losses. would the syphon still work okay with the intank about the output?
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How about a granite supplier to purchase some of the scraps?
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Have you thought about a river tank manifold? http://www.loaches.com/articles/rive...anifold-design

I like at least 1 HOB on my river tanks. For me it simulates water coming up over rocks (rapids). You can use HOB's and canisters with a river manifold, as well as a power head.

Have you tried calling a local counter top manufacturer or general contracter for what you're looking for? You may be able to get their scraps. Buy them a couple of brew's and they may even cut it for you.
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+1 on the local granite suppliers.

If you could do anything you wanted, how would the river bed be positioned in the tank? Also, is it possible to drill the bottom of the tank and bring the hoses in there and up through the substrate or would that be a nightmare in the making?

Those are interesting fish. What else do you plan to have in the tank, plants, etc?
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Sounds like we need to hit up the Comal or San Marcos river with some tubes, and cold beverages and look for inspiration. And rock slabs!
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Have you thought about a river tank manifold? http://www.loaches.com/articles/rive...anifold-design

I like at least 1 HOB on my river tanks. For me it simulates water coming up over rocks (rapids). You can use HOB's and canisters with a river manifold, as well as a power head.

Have you tried calling a local counter top manufacturer or general contracter for what you're looking for? You may be able to get their scraps. Buy them a couple of brew's and they may even cut it for you.
i forgot all about that thing! thank you. i think i will use that but modify the design to work with a canister filter. the canisters will give me a total flow of 675gph, 375 on the river., and 300 for the general tank. Because i have found these guys rather sensitive to water quality.

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+1 on the local granite suppliers.

If you could do anything you wanted, how would the river bed be positioned in the tank? Also, is it possible to drill the bottom of the tank and bring the hoses in there and up through the substrate or would that be a nightmare in the making?

Those are interesting fish. What else do you plan to have in the tank, plants, etc?
i am thinking about one of these. the top left is the original idea i had in my head.


i'm not sure i want to drill the bottom of the tank, i foresee that being a huge problem it would make the tank cleaner and much easier to set-up, but when i move, or if anything goes wrong i potentially would have to drain the entire tank....i don't want to run that risk.

as far as the tank goes, i am taking the 29g in my sig and moving the whole thing to the 40b. then up my numbers on the loaches, and rummy noses, and corys.

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How about a granite supplier to purchase some of the scraps?
initially i had strayed away from granite because of cost, and i wondered if it would look natural in a tank?
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First thing i would do. Is locate a park or somewhere that there is a stream. Then, take your significant other/best friend/family on a lovely day at the park. Then you can observe an environment similar to what you wish to recreate. There you can find your stone, with a lovely weathered look.

Depending on how much work you want to put into this, you could do a false background/corner. It will take a bit more time, but it's amazing what you can do. Check out the DIY section. It'll really get your wheels spinning.

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First thing i would do. Is locate a park or somewhere that there is a stream. Then, take your significant other/best friend/family on a lovely day at the park. Then you can observe an environment similar to what you wish to recreate. There you can find your stone, with a lovely weathered look.

Depending on how much work you want to put into this, you could do a false background/corner. It will take a bit more time, but it's amazing what you can do. Check out the DIY section. It'll really get your wheels spinning.

hehe i spend most of my free time in parks anyway, but i have what i want in my head i was hoping for more options in the rock i can use, department. i did see a place yesterday that has some slab rock that didn't look like it was limestone based, i am gonna call them today.

i had been kinda anti false background because i always felt like it took away from space that i could have plants, but now that i think about it, it would make a great way to help hide my hoses and keep my tank clean looking. thank you!
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You're welcome. I just went out for a phase one shopping trip for my project. Don't rush into it if you don't have to. You'll be glad you took your time and didn't cut corners.

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my phase one was petcos $1 a galon sale :-). i have been wanting to do this tank for about 7 months now, and have been actively planning things in my head for the last 3 or so, bit by bit i am making good progress.
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Can't wait to set how it turns out for ya. I used to have a dozen hillstreams. They're great.

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i called around to a few landscaping places yeasterday, and it seems my choices are flagstone, or granite. so monday i'm going to drive to a couple and see what they have what it would cost me.

has anyone ever drilled the lower parts of their tank? what have your experiences been?
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