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Old 03-25-2013, 05:32 PM   #31
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That information is also supported by 'The Book of ADA' which gives the specs of some 'photo shoot' tanks in terms of equipment, co2, maintenance. The filter used on the 6-footers is the Super Jet ES-2400 which has a flow rate of about 480 GPH out of the box from what I can tell (someone correct me if I'm wrong). That would give a 180 with that filter a turnover over under 3x out of the box.
From a maintenance side, yeah the gallery could be over maintaining, but what about co2/fert delivery on such a long tank with that flow? I don't see any deficiencies from lack of flow.
I agree with your point. You read a lot in the forums that you need a filter that turns over your tank 10x per hour, in tank diffusers can't supply enough CO2 for a larger tank, etc. Then you check out the specs on ADA's tanks and find them to be a bit of a contradiction to all of that. Which leads me to think that one doesn't need a pump moving 750gph on a 75g tank and a quality in tank diffuser is more than sufficient.

Not that I have any experience with one, but one of the points that ADA makes about the Superjets is that they deliver the gph that they're rated for and maintain it despite media becoming clogged. That's not something other manufacturers claim and I can certainly attest that it isn't the case with my Eheims either.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:33 PM   #32
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I agree with your point. You read a lot in the forums that you need a filter that turns over your tank 10x per hour, in tank diffusers can't supply enough CO2 for a larger tank, etc. Then you check out the specs on ADA's tanks and find them to be a bit of a contradiction to all of that. Which leads me to think that one doesn't need a pump moving 750gph on a 75g tank and a quality in tank diffuser is more than sufficient.

Not that I have any experience with one, but one of the points that ADA makes about the Superjets is that they deliver the gph that they're rated for and maintain it despite media becoming clogged. That's not something other manufacturers claim and I can certainly attest that it isn't the case with my Eheims either.
Agreed, and it's not only the ADA tanks, but mine as well. Even if the superjets don't lose any flow, there are still only three out of the box and you have to expect some reduction just on physics alone. Point is I can look at my multiple tanks with very little flow and the ADA ones taking co2 across a 6-ft distance without any additional flow devices and the plants look pretty healthy to me. The ability for dissolved co2 or co2 mist coming from those diffusers simply doesn't need strong flow to saturate a tank 6-ft let alone one that is 2-4 in most cases.
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I agree aswell, I see sometimes, a taking to the extreme of the high flow mentality on a planted tank. As if it will prevent algae or be some end all to other problems.

Lets go even bigger though, at the ADA gallery they use two filters on a 6 x 4 x 2 tank 360 gallons. They use x2 ES-2400 I believe. Less than x3 turnover per hour. These tanks also have Roseline Sharks. All the plants are thriving. This isn't about blindly following the ADA style because Amano said so, like some tend to point out. They have proved the concept on a large scale and in numerous tanks.
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So, am I to take from this that one canister filter (350 gph) and 1 lily pipe should be sufficient?
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I agree aswell, I see sometimes, a taking to the extreme of the high flow mentality on a planted tank. As if it will prevent algae or be some end all to other problems.

Lets go even bigger though, at the ADA gallery they use two filters on a 6 x 4 x 2 tank 360 gallons. They use x2 ES-2400 I believe. Less than x3 turnover per hour. These tanks also have Roseline Sharks. All the plants are thriving. This isn't about blindly following the ADA style because Amano said so, like some tend to point out. They have proved the concept on a large scale and in numerous tanks.
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So, am I to take from this that one canister filter (350 gph) and 1 lily pipe should be sufficient?
Flow wise you should be fine. If your running co2 as long as the co2 is dissolved either inline or with a fine-mist diffuser.

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