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Old 03-22-2013, 07:57 PM   #1
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Substrate for emersed setup?


Hello,
I'm upgrading my emersed setup because it was a success. I'm moving from a 10g to two large plastic tubs. I was planning on using miracle grow potting MIX, and miracle grow sphagnum moss substrate, because i can buy them as a package on amazon. My question is, are these good choses? Can i use miracle grow potting MIX, or do I need miracle grow potting soil?
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I use soil from my backyard garden. Works pretty well, but I get the feeling that I should probably replace it soon (it's been in use for around 2 years).
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My mom has a ton of garden, and we have a ton of compost!
Can you use compost? I thought you were suppose to you use it sparesly because of how full of nutrients it is
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Compost being high in nutrients is a myth. Look at a bag of compost from the store. The three primary nutrients are low. Home made compost is very variable in nutrients also but are never very high. I use tons (enough that I borrow the neighbors front end loader to put it down.) I love compost. But it's not the nutrient value I count on. Compost will make nutrients that are already in the soil (Florida has no soil it is 100% sand.) more readily available to the plants. So why use compost? Well it isn't really for the nutrients. Compost lightens clayey soil so it will drain and help build up sand so it will retain moisture better. Why it works for both types of dirt is beyond the scope of this post.
Even though I use compost I still have to add nutrients. I add blood meal and bone meal in addition to the compost. I also add things to increase the beneficial micro-organisms. Compost is only one part of an organic garden. It's a good start but there's more to it.
One reason I could think of not to use compost in a tank though is the amount of particles that want to float.

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The composted cattle manure and straw bedding contained the following amounts:
Nutrient %
Nitrogen 2.6
Carbon 27
Phosphorus 0.9
Potassium 2.0
Sulfur 0.5
Iron 0.8
Zinc 0.02
Copper 0.006
Boron 0.002
Manganese 0.03
Organic Matter 50
Moisture 30
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Compost being high in nutrients is a myth. Look at a bag of compost from the store. The three primary nutrients are low. Home made compost is very variable in nutrients also but are never very high. I use tons (enough that I borrow the neighbors front end loader to put it down.) I love compost. But it's not the nutrient value I count on. Compost will make nutrients that are already in the soil (Florida has no soil it is 100% sand.) more readily available to the plants. So why use compost? Well it isn't really for the nutrients. Compost lightens clayey soil so it will drain and help build up sand so it will retain moisture better. Why it works for both types of dirt is beyond the scope of this post.
Even though I use compost I still have to add nutrients. I add blood meal and bone meal in addition to the compost. I also add things to increase the beneficial micro-organisms. Compost is only one part of an organic garden. It's a good start but there's more to it.
One reason I could think of not to use compost in a tank though is the amount of particles that want to float.
Thats good to know... So if I was to have a large production setup and I used natural compost Id probably have deficiencies....thank you for the post! I think ill use a mixture

Still looking for replies, what do you guy think of miracle grow potting mix, or what else do you guys use? Thanks!
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you can use anything
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you can use anything
Anything? I thought some substrates were avoided because of there harm towards aquatic plants? If I can use anything thats great news!
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Anything? I thought some substrates were avoided because of there harm towards aquatic plants? If I can use anything thats great news!

Depends on how big your tank is, what plants, lights, water changes?
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I use a potting soil mix from a local greenhouse in my emersed tanks.
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MGOPM is fine. Most potting soils have perlite and vermiculite in them along with other stuff that floats. That's the part you want to avoid. Stuff that will float. Any tank I have with soil is just that, soil. To be exact top soil from the big box store. I opened the bag and dumped it in then planted it. I did wait to put fish in until the numbers came in right.
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The first time I did an emersed setup I just put the dirt in a tank and added water. I won't be doing that again for plants I am growing out. Now I put them into clay pots filled with top soil. If it's going into one of the tanks I am growing totally submersed I put them into net pots so the roots can grow into the gravel since it is doubtful I will be moving them anytime soon.
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you can use any type of soil, hydroton,rock whatever you like.
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