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Old 03-18-2013, 11:23 PM   #1
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Curing ich???


Hi,
I have ich on half of my green neon tetra(6 out of 12)

I have red cherry shrimp, assasin snails and oto in my tank.

What should i do?
Raising the temp up to 84F seems above RCS limits.
I have seen on other threads garlic extract?!? Do you have a product name?

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Old 03-19-2013, 01:07 AM   #2
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Raise the temperature as high as the RCS can stand. This is the best way to cure ICH. I used aquarium salt as well, it didnt kill my plants but I have no idea what it would do with shrimp....I have never had any.
Do you have a hospital tank?? putting the green tetras in there and cranking the temp would work but you will still have to treat your main tank.....the longer you leave the tetras, the worse the ICH will get and then they will start dying out.
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I did heat and salt in my 29 gallon a few weeks ago to get rid if ich. Plants and rcs were just fine. Did lose some trumpet snails though.
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Heat up to 86F and then add salt. 1tbsp/5gal. Heat weakens the ich to fall off and reduces reproduction. Salt finishes the job. The true and tried way. I've never had a RCS that couldn't handle 86F, but if yours can't, you'd definitely want to move the tetras out into a hospital tank, making sure they don't leave water as it can cause much more stress.
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Hi,
I have ich on half of my green neon tetra(6 out of 12)

I have red cherry shrimp, assasin snails and oto in my tank.

What should i do?
Raising the temp up to 84F seems above RCS limits.
I have seen on other threads garlic extract?!? Do you have a product name?

Thks

Dave
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If you do the salt treatment grab a bottle of the mardel bio spheres. It will help especially if they are covered. Only a matter of time before the others show symptoms, and another reminder why qt tanks are good to have.
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Papwalker,

Thanks for the link. That is one of the best articles I've read about ich.

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Papwalker,

Thanks for the link. That is one of the best articles I've read about ich.

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If you like to know about the human versions go here...http://www.microbeworld.org/podcasts...-in-parasitism
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First twenty will get you in although it took a few episodes for them to sort out sound
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The cheap (but effective) method is to just crank up the heat (84-86 F is what I've used in the past), add aquarium salt, and treat them for about 7-days minimum. The heat hastens up their life cycle so that they become susceptible to salt. It is important to remember that when they are in their encysted state (white specks) they are NOT susceptible to salt nor any other chemical treatments. This means, once you see the white specks are gone you MUST continue treatment for another few days b/c this is when the protozoa are susceptible (though not visible on the fish).

Raising the heat alone will not kill the ich, unless you raise the temperature to 90F+ for hours....and I don't think your fish will survive this.
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They just Dont reproduce after 85.4F so in theory it will, however with a life cycle around 30 days w/o a host that's a long time for fish to be at those temps. I made a diy UV vac to help speed things up last time.
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however with a life cycle around 30 days w/o a host that's a long time for fish to be at those temps.
Eh?
Where did you get the 30 days from?
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I think 30-days is definitely stretching it. Even at the coldest temps, the ich's lifecycle slows down to about 2-weeks max. So theoretically if you leave you tank empty of fish for 2-weeks, the ich should die off because it can not find a host.

In a tank raised to 86F, the lifecycle speeds up to about 4-days or maybe even less than that.
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I think 30-days is definitely stretching it. Even at the coldest temps, the ich's lifecycle slows down to about 2-weeks max. So theoretically if you leave you tank empty of fish for 2-weeks, the ich should die off because it can not find a host.

In a tank raised to 86F, the lifecycle speeds up to about 4-days or maybe even less than that.
All my books say 3 - 7 days temp dependant although John Gratzek reckons he found some alive after 30 days at 10C

Gratzek, J.B. (1993) Parasites associated with freshwater tropical fish. In Fish Medicine, ed. M.K. Stoskopf, pp. 57390. W.B. Saunders, Phi

My standard reference (now in e-book) is
Fish Pathology by Prof Ronald J Roberts and it give 3 - 7 days maturation.

30 days would be a nightmare. You'd have to nuke your tank.
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I forget, think it was a study duke university did which I guess backs why products say up to 5 weeks. I assume length of time varys tank per tank. The 3 times I dealt with it over 20 years definitely took over 2 weeks, i have a tetra tank that ive been battling for almost 2 months, its a little ridiculous. but I have only done the high heat/salt method once as I couldn't handle seeing my fish miserable in it after a few days.

This article was updated in January. It gives another view.
http://www.americanaquariumproducts....arium_Ich.html

The one I'm more familiar with.http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php
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I got lazy and introduced a single fish (Festivum) into an established moderately planted aquarium with lots of tetras, dojo loaches and trumpet snails (NOTE: no shrimp in the tank) without quarantining first and an outbreak resulted.

My approach:
Raise and maintain temperature to 84-85 degrees
Added 3 tablespoons of salt per 20 gallons
dose Rid Ich Plus
Introduced a 13 watt submersible UV sterilizer
Fed flake and pellets soaked in metronidazole twice daily

25% water change every 48 hours

First week repeat dosages with each water change
Second week, only dose the Rid Ich Plus, no salt with water changes
Third week, reduce Rid Ich Plus dose to dose (still no salt) with each water change

I am currently in the last week of this treatment with no loss of any fish or plants (anubias, jungle val, crypts), although plant growth has stopped, there has been no melting. Visible spots are all but gone.

Be warned, even if you catch it early, the infestation will intensify ten-fold, even during treatment, before you begin to see any improvement. Important to continue treating for full period to make sure you get all the lingering pests.

Quarantining is the best preventative.

I hope this helps.

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