pH of 8.0, will this be a problem? - Page 2
Planted Tank Forums
Your Tanks Image Hosting *Tank Tracker * Plant Profiles Fish Profiles Planted Tank Guide Photo Gallery Articles

Go Back   The Planted Tank Forum > General Planted Tank Forums > Low Tech Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-27-2013, 04:07 AM   #16
simplicitysarah
Algae Grower
 
simplicitysarah's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 58
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbocurtice View Post
The water at my place is liquid rock and the pH is usually 7.8-8.0 and I have had a group of bronze corys plus a group of neon and many other fish that needs soft and acidic water and everyone is well. I think the key is to acclimate them the right way and you should be fine.

What do you consider the best accumulation? Slow derived?

What kind of peat pellets should I get?! There's so many different kinds! Don't want to buy wrong thing
simplicitysarah is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-28-2013, 03:47 AM   #17
Diana
Planted Tank Guru
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Contra Costa CA
Posts: 8,366
Default

Fish are best set up according to their GH preference.

Here is how I would handle your water(s):

1) If you want to keep fish that need soft water (low GH) then you will have to use the water with the lowest GH to start with, or else dilute the high GH water with reverse osmosis or distilled. Or find some way to remove the minerals from your tap water. Your tank, for whatever reason, seems to have the best GH for soft water fish. Please describe everything you are doing... SOMEthing is removing the minerals from your water.

2) Sodium exchange water softeners add sodium to the water and removes the calcium and magnesium that plants and fish need. This is not usually a good option for aquariums. I would not use softened water.

3) Well water has lots of minerals. Just keep the right fish:
Asian Rummynose, most Live bearers, many Rainbows and related fish (research Pseudomugil species), and Rift Lake Cichlids and other fish.

Here are some tests to run:
1) Run some tap water into a bucket. Try some softened water in one bucket, and well water in another.
2) Add a generous amount of peat moss to each bucket. Perhaps a cup of peat per gallon.
3) Stir the buckets as often as you can. Several times per day.
4) Test GH, KH and pH after 24 hours. If you have a TDS meter that would be great. (Can be found on line for about $20)

Other test: Put a nylon stocking of peat moss in the tank. In the filter, if you have room, otherwise in a place with high water flow. I cut a knee-hi into 3 bags for small tanks (to 20 gallon), or 2 bags for large tanks (to 45 gallon), and just use 1 bag for most of my tanks (2 bags for my tanks over 45 gallon).

Goal: See if peat moss will do the job for you. If this works, then you will have to prepare the water before every water change by filtering it through peat moss. I do this in garbage cans. I use a knee-hi stocking of peat moss in 20-40 gallons of water, and run a fountain pump to circulate the water overnight. The next day the water is ready. I can reuse the peat moss several times, but it takes longer each time. Keep the peat moss in a stocking, it can clog the pump if it is loose in the garbage can.

Other test:
Get one of the substrates that removes the KH from the water. Oil Dry, Safe-T-Sorb, Turface (any color)
Put this material in a bucket the same as the peat moss test.
Test at 24 hours: Has the KH and pH dropped?

If both peat moss and Safe-T-Sorb do what they are supposed to, then test a combination. Put a cup of each in a gallon of water, and see what that does overnight.

If that works, then you have figured out what you will need to do to prep your water to keep soft water fish.
Fill a bucket or garbage can with water, and filter that water through Safe-T-Sorb and peat moss.
Diana is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-28-2013, 01:50 PM   #18
simplicitysarah
Algae Grower
 
simplicitysarah's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 58
Default

I have been using the softened water so I can switch to well..
I can test when I get some peat.
I was already considering rainbows.! I will look into other species too
simplicitysarah is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-28-2013, 03:26 PM   #19
papwalker
Planted Member
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sydney
Posts: 162
Default

Wouldn't use the well unless you keep Africans.

Once plants go in stuff will drop. Your total hardness is dropping anyway.
You'll get some bio-acidification slowly happening.
I always get some plants in early to kick things along.

My analysis out of the tap is 3.75 (67 mg CaCO3/L) Sydney water; so yours looks OK at three!

Natural option to reduce pH see...
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/peat-filtration
http://papwalker.blogspot.com.au/201...co-tea_23.html

Normally I don't like to muck around with new tanks. I use Seachem Prime, Stability and Neutral reg as per instructions in a tank that has some filter matrix and driftwood from from a working tank. Seachem tabs for plants.

My 15 gallon had fish in it two days after first water.
10% changes daily for a few weeks. Spawning Corydoras in three weeks.
Ammonia is always N/D
I've tapered off the neutral reg. I'm using my Orinoco tea.
Baby corys are loving it. Need to start selling 'em - no room.
__________________

Got fish? Go here... http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/


respect to all creatures great and small
papwalker is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-28-2013, 04:42 PM   #20
Magnum26
Algae Grower
 
Magnum26's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 91
Default

I have to disagree with some of you, my water is around the 8 mark and I have corys, neons, rasboras, golden barbs and danios, they are all prefectly healthy and have extended lives for some reasons. My Danios are around 5 years old atm.

Just becuase it's hard water doesn't mean you can't have a fish, just let it get used to it first and make sure you treat the water. Simples.
__________________
See more of my tank: Here
What have I got in my tank? Fish list
PC Gamer and general geek.
Magnum26 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-28-2013, 04:58 PM   #21
papwalker
Planted Member
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sydney
Posts: 162
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum26 View Post
I have to disagree with some of you, my water is around the 8 mark and I have corys, neons, rasboras, golden barbs and danios, they are all prefectly healthy and have extended lives for some reasons. My Danios are around 5 years old atm.

Just becuase it's hard water doesn't mean you can't have a fish, just let it get used to it first and make sure you treat the water. Simples.
Of course you are probably right. Fish from commercial breeders probably haven't seen biotope conditions in the same number of generations humans have seen since we left Africa.
__________________

Got fish? Go here... http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/


respect to all creatures great and small
papwalker is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-28-2013, 05:21 PM   #22
Magnum26
Algae Grower
 
Magnum26's Avatar
 
PTrader: (0/0%)
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 91
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by papwalker View Post
Of course you are probably right. Fish from commercial breeders probably haven't seen biotope conditions in the same number of generations humans have seen since we left Africa.
I'm only assuming as my fish are fine. Normally LFS generally use the same water as you would do at home so it's safe to assume the fish would be ok, is basically what I meant.
__________________
See more of my tank: Here
What have I got in my tank? Fish list
PC Gamer and general geek.
Magnum26 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Planted Tank Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Planted Tank LLC 2012