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Old 05-19-2006, 08:39 PM   #16
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dwarf puffer - Carinotetraodon travancoricus - likely a species only candidate needing a larger "nano" but nano nonetheless.
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Old 05-19-2006, 08:50 PM   #17
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Dont forget about guppies(Poecilia reticulata)....
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Old 05-19-2006, 09:13 PM   #18
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Heh - to be fair I'm editing the second post with the list in it as people submit species, so it's cool, Mr. Gaboozlebag.
that explains it.
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Old 05-20-2006, 06:47 AM   #19
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Dario dario (not sure of the common name.. it's pretty new to the fish trade)
beatiful fish that only grows to 20mm long... kinda beta splendens like in it's breeding behavior... and tiny! and friendlier than betas... not quite so fighty... still wouldn't pack in a whole bunch of males though. Check out the latest "Tropical Fish Hobbist" mag for 2 articles on the critter.. definitely on my wish list!
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Old 05-20-2006, 04:38 PM   #20
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Guys! I think we are missing all the nice killis!!
Anyone keep those to give us a starting point?

After browsing the forum, found that these have been kept by members too.

Dwarf Pencilfish (Nannostomus marginatus)
Similis Ciclid (Neolamprologus similis)
Bumblee Goby (Brachygobius sp.)
Pygmy/ Sparkling Gourami (Trichopsis pumila)

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Old 05-20-2006, 08:10 PM   #21
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Nice thread! Sticky worthy!

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Old 05-21-2006, 03:47 PM   #22
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Don't know anything about killis but started to search for some that would stay small enough. Found the following genera on the killi.net where the maximum length was given. I chose those genera all the species of which stay under 4.5 cm (ca. 1.8'') - but there surely are other genera with species small enough for our nanos and even picos!

Adamas AF
Aphyoplatys AF
Campellolebias SA
Congopanchax AF
Cynopoecilus SA
Diapteron AF
Fluviphylax AF
Foerschichthys AF
Fundulosoma AF
Yucatan flagfish Garmanella pulchra CA
Leptolucania NA
Catarina Pupfish Megupsilon aporus CA (Mexico)
Micropanchax AF
Pantanodon AF
Plesiolebias
Stenolebias SA
Terranatos SA
Tomeurus SA

[AF = Africa, SA = South America, CA = Central America, NA = North America]
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Old 05-22-2006, 02:51 AM   #23
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Corydoras hastatus and pygmaeus are cool.
I personally like habrosus for a nano (>=5g thought), followed by pygmaeus.
So far C. habrosus is one of my favourite fish. These guys have a lot of spunk and are not in the least bit shy (at least in my experience).
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Old 05-22-2006, 04:10 PM   #24
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Remembered that I have a list of livebearers with their sizes! So compiled this list of those small enough (IMHO, < 4,5 cm, 1.8'') and of which there are registered populations kept.

Allotoca zacapuensis CA (Mexico)

*Barred Livebearer [Fishbase], Banded Widow, Stuart's Livebearer (Carlhubbsia stuarti) CA (Guatemala)
*Carnegie's Millionsfish/Livebearer, Ten-Spotted Live Bearer (Cnesterodon carnegiei) SA
Cnesterodon decemmaculatus SA
Gambusia alvarezi CA (Mexico)
Gambusia atrora CA (Mexico)
Gambusia aurata CA (Mexico)
Gambusia eurystoma CA (Mexico)
*Big Bend Gambusia (Gambusia gaigei) NA
Gambusia geiseri NA
Gambusia heterochir NA
Gambusia hurtadoi CA (Mexico)
Gambusia lemaitrei SA
Gambusia luma CA
Gambusia milleri
Gambusia nicaraguensis CA
Gambusia rachowi CA (Mexico)
Gambusia regani CA (Mexico)
*Teardrop Mosquitofish [Fishbase], Tropical Mosquitofish, Bandit Mosquitofish (Gambusia sexradiata) CA [fem. max. 5 cm]
Gambusia xanthosoma (Grand Cayman)
Girardinus cubensis (Cuba)
*Grand Cayman Limia (Limia caymanensis) (Grand Cayman)
Limia dominicensis (Haiti)
Limia rivasi (Haiti)
*Sulphur Limia (Limia sulphurophila) (Dom. Rep.)
Neoheterandria cana CA (Panama)
*Tiger Teddy (Neoheterandria elegans) SA
*Picotee Livebearer [Fishbase], Fairweather/Elegant Widow (Phallichthys fairweatheri) CA
*Four-Spot/Domino Widow (Phallichthys quadripunctatus) CA (Costa Rica)
*Pallid Widow (Phallichthys tico) CA (Costa Rica)
*Dusky Millions Fish [Fishbase], Caudo (Phalloceros caudimaculatus) SA
Phalloptychus januarius SA
Poecilia amazonica SA
(*)Branner's Livebearer, Ocellated Micromolly (Poecilia branneri) SA
*Cauca Molly, South American Molly (Poecilia caucana) CA-SA
*Dwarf Molly (Poecilia chica) CA (Mexico)
*Caracas Livebearer, Dwarf Limia, Haiti Limia, Venezuela-Molly (Poecilia heterandria) SA
Poecilia minima SA
Poecilia minor SA
Poecilia sulphuraria CA (Mexico)
Poeciliopsis baenschi
Poeciliopsis monacha CA (Mexico)
*Blackstripe Livebearer (Poeciliopsis prolifica) CA (Mexico)
Pseudopoecilia chocoensis SA
Pseudopoecilia festae SA
Pseudopoecilia nigroventralis SA
Pseudopoecilia panamensis CA (Panama)
*Barred Topminnow (Quintana atrizona) (Cuba)
Xiphophorus continens (Mexico)
*Monterrey Platyfish (Xiphophorus couchianus) (Mexico)
*Northern Platyfish (Xiphophorus gordoni) (Mexico)
*[Southern] Platy (Xiphophorus maculatus) CA
*Catemaco Platyfish (Xiphophorus milleri) (Mexico)
*Pygmy Swordtail (Xiphophorus pygmaeus) (Mexico)
*Swordtail Platyfish (Xiphophorus xiphidium) (Mexico)

Those marked with * are the most likely to be found.

[Sources: Kim M. Walther 2005: Registrations of Livebearers. Denmark.
English names from Fishbase and/or Master Index of Freshwater Fishes]

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Old 05-22-2006, 05:15 PM   #25
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(gasp!)

Holy crap that's a lotta fish!!! Heh...

Perhaps we should narrow this down just a bit at this juncture; how many of these fish are actually available to hobbyists, Daniel*Swords?
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Old 05-22-2006, 05:36 PM   #26
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Ah, that's the real question! I compiled the list from a booklet that lists all livebearers and whether they are kept by some people. Those mentioned are kept, mostly by active livebearer hobbyists. I think most of them might be available only through the respective livebearer associations.

Yes, I might have just gone a bit overboard there, I agree. Got a bit carried away while planning my pico and looking for suitable fish for it!

I think I'll put a * before those that are most likely most easily available. That ok idea?
EDIT: Just did that..
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Old 05-23-2006, 04:36 PM   #27
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One other thing: are there common [English] names for any of these guys? Something I've noticed is that you Finns have common names for fish English-speakers have never even seen...

Also - are there any proposals for how we should break this list down when it becomes too long to simply be a quick-reference guide? I think it should be a functional distinction, i.e. by preferred water parameters so people considering community tanks can more easily find neighbors for their fish, but I'm also open to suggestion.
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Old 05-23-2006, 04:58 PM   #28
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I say make a list based on availability as that would be most helpful, then another list with "potential" nano fish.

Nice job guys
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:27 PM   #29
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One other thing: are there common [English] names for any of these guys? Something I've noticed is that you Finns have common names for fish English-speakers have never even seen...
Well, as I'm not a native English speaker I have to rely on other sources, mainly the net. I was kind of hoping that you English speakers would supply the common names. I did edit in some names from Fishbase and MIFF...

I was kind of thinking that giving the continent would give the reader a guestimate for the preferred water values and also some idea for a geotope maybe. I suppose there are more clever ways of doing it.

How about making a quick list in the beginning of the thread with most common ones and giving just links to further down the thread for others? Say, like a link titled: more livebearers. That would work if the fish would be grouped by families. Otherwise? Maybe not. I can edit my lists in any shape you guys think would be most useful!!
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Old 05-25-2006, 04:40 AM   #30
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Thanks Daniel. I've been thinking about this a little, and I agree with your idea - with one little revision: the first list of common fish should also have some kind of basic list for first-timers of fish that are easy to keep, along with either a footnote or a separate post in this thread detailing anything that beginners should know.

For instance, Endlers & Guppies reproduce like mad, Otos, Corys, and Plecos like to be kept in groups of at least X amount, these other fish are schoolers with a minimum of __...

Does that make sense to everybody?
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