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Old 02-21-2013, 06:56 PM   #1
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Are CRS\CBS "shy" compared to neos?


I started out with about 6 CRS/BS and 12 fire or painted red neos in the same heavily planted tank.

True to form, I now have dozens of reds, but the crystals haven't bred. They are more reclusive - love to hide in the plants and shadows. Even when I'm feeding at the front of the tank - the neo's come a running but not the crystals. If I drop food in the back the crystals completely ignore i and go on happily munching on IAL or the plants/moss.

Is this the way they are, or is it the presence of the Neos that is making them bashful? I really like that banded low/mid grade CRS/CBS look and would love to see them (and more of them) out and about in view.
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Comparing to Neo, I'd say yes. Maybe the parameters in your tank are just more suitable to Neos.

One thing I will say is, if you have a 20G tank with 100+ CRS/CBS, they won't be shy especially comes feeding time.
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Mine come out of nowhere when it is feeding time. I only feed them every 2 or 3 days though.
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Comparing to Neo, I'd say yes. Maybe the parameters in your tank are just more suitable to Neos.

One thing I will say is, if you have a 20G tank with 100+ CRS/CBS, they won't be shy especially comes feeding time.
This. My crystals are voracious in feeding and probably getting near 100 with the babies.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:22 PM   #5
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If you have enough moss and plants in the tank they will eat this and may not come to feed.Mine stay inside a bunch of java moss i have all the time and only come to the edge of it.Sometimes you see them out i have over 50.I see they are eating a little dead guppy fry at the minute so maybe thats why they are not to interested in the food.



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If you have enough moss and plants in the tank they will eat this and may not come to feed.Mine stay inside a bunch of java moss i have all the time and only come to the edge of it.Sometimes you see them out i have over 50.I see they are eating a little dead guppy fry at the minute so maybe thats why they are not to interested in the food.



not the best picture he moves everytime i try to snap him.

They arent coming out because the guppies you have in the tank....
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I started out with about 6 CRS/BS and 12 fire or painted red neos in the same heavily planted tank.

True to form, I now have dozens of reds, but the crystals haven't bred. They are more reclusive - love to hide in the plants and shadows. Even when I'm feeding at the front of the tank - the neo's come a running but not the crystals. If I drop food in the back the crystals completely ignore i and go on happily munching on IAL or the plants/moss.

Is this the way they are, or is it the presence of the Neos that is making them bashful? I really like that banded low/mid grade CRS/CBS look and would love to see them (and more of them) out and about in view.
I would say that it's a water quality issue that's making your CRS less active. Whats the params look like? TDS, gH, kH, pH, nitrates..etc
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I had no idea that the guppies would cause problems with them.
I guess i will have to get rid of the guppies in that case :-) Thanks for the info.
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I would say yes.. i'm pretty certain i have about 10 in the tank but can never seem to find more then 3 or 4 at a time
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I would say that it's a water quality issue that's making your CRS less active. Whats the params look like? TDS, gH, kH, pH, nitrates..etc

Fresh this morning:

Nitrates = 5 (my well water comes out of the tap already at 5)
Nitrite = 0
Ammonia = 0
Hardness ~70 ppm (i believe that is roughly 2 to 3 german degrees)
chlorine = 0
Alk ~ 40
PH = 6.8

Water is VERY soft well water (0 hardness on the test) that is mineralized with Seachem Equalibrium.

No idea on TDS, don't have a meter.

Water change of 40 to 50% a week.

temp seems stable at 72 (no heater - never needed, in a large office building)

Aquaclear HOB filter filled with foam, cermanics and purigen.

Anything stand out to you?
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crystals are less aggressive feeders than neos which attributes to their less than hardy demeanor when compared to the fire reds. I have had to supplement feedings in order to ensure that all were adequately fed. If you have enough plant density, i'd say feedings could be spread across the entire tank which gives everyone a fair chance at getting some food. just setting up a feeding location will definitely leave little if anything for the crs/cbs to eat IME...
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:54 PM   #12
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Fresh this morning:

Nitrates = 5 (my well water comes out of the tap already at 5)
Nitrite = 0
Ammonia = 0
Hardness ~70 ppm (i believe that is roughly 2 to 3 german degrees)
chlorine = 0
Alk ~ 40
PH = 6.8

Anything stand out to you?
Everything seems good except the gH could use a bit more tweaking. I would go for 4-5 for CBS/CRS but I'm surprised your neos suffering more than your neos. Then again they may just be content with the biofilm levels around the tank.

You could try more sources of food, perhaps blanched vegetables like spinach could coax them out more.
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:22 PM   #13
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Default Are CRS\CBS "shy" compared to neos?

Your post about params finally inspired me to learn this once and for all.

1 dGH corresponds to 17.848 ppm

I'll always remember that now, as my tools read in PPM
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No expert by any means but from all I read folks seem to have much better success when doing less water changes than what you are doing. I think 10-20% a week or every other seems to be more the norm but once again dont take that as gospel as Im definitely not experienced.
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No expert by any means but from all I read folks seem to have much better success when doing less water changes than what you are doing. I think 10-20% a week or every other seems to be more the norm but once again dont take that as gospel as Im definitely not experienced.
That is also true. I change water about every other week 20% usually. However if your tank is heavily planted and you dose ferts and rack them nitrates up then you may want to change more water more frequently
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