Staurogyn Repens still Struggling

[Acen]

Ok this is likely the end of my attemp to keep Staurogyn Repens in the "Grow Out Tank"

This plant just doesnt seem to like anything i do submersed so i'll go emmersed for now to save the batch. (I Found that No breathing holes and HIGH humidity is the key with this plant emmersed until the stems darken then it seems ok with less humidity)

Submersed on the other hand has been a nightmare
my last thread ended in too much light as the problem but now that i raised the lights to 3ft above the aquarium my HC is Melting and the Staurogyn just took a little longer to go south..
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Previous thread
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=218953

Current Params:
Lights = 2 LED Floods Home Depot 5000k 110watt each supposedly? (Now Considering 24" Finnex Ray 2 to replace)
KH = 3
C02 = Greenish Yellow Drop Checker
GH = 10 Lowered from 12+ (over the past few weeks)
Temp 72

Persistant Problem:
same stunted new growth - on the Staurogyn Repens
curling leaves - mainly on S. Repens - is it possible to have a Ca deficiency with GH boost and a 10-12 GH?
Some leaves are falling off - On Staurogyn and Now Rotala Rotifundunda
Brown stuff on the edge of many of the plants. - on most plants
The GSA has receded on most plant leaves and glass

What i have done:
Added even more flow
Turned C02 on earlier for more saturation
raised lights to 3ft (will be lowing back down 2.5ft)
Same Dosing Regime (Ei) Plantex Cms+b, NPK, K, GH Bosst
Added xtra P04 (for GSA)

Here is a pic of the curling leaves and browning dust that is my HC also.

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Any suggestions??

[leo1234]

Put a few root tabs under them.

[stevenjohn21]

The roots its sending off on the stems makes me think its searching for nutrients, whats your Ei dosing schedule ?

[pirayaman]

S repens they look good. May be try trimming a few to see if that gets them to spread. Other than they look healthy. Though compared to mine. Yours are a bit leggy lot of space in between the nodes/leaves mine are a lot more compact and bushy. Maybe more light u need


StevenJohn21 is that why plants send of those extra roots? Seems impossible to me. I have fresh mgops with a fluorite cap and does flourish and iron with potash. And some of my plants do that too is very weird.

[stevenjohn21]

Some plants have them regardless but others will form if not enough nutrients are found in the substrate.... its really clever if you think about it.

I cant remember the exact name given to them, but i figured by calling them "roots" you would know what i meant lol

[pirayaman]

Originally Posted by stevenjohn21

Some plants have them regardless but others will form if not enough nutrients are found in the substrate.... its really clever if you think about it.

I cant remember the exact name given to them, but i figured by calling them "roots" you would know what i meant lol

Ok but I have less than a month old mgops fluorite. liquid ferts flourish and API iron and potash. Co2 high light. And I dose ferts a lot cause I'm always thinking more is better

And my cabomba does this my h sunset green myrio and a reineckii. All shoot out those root runners

[acitydweller]

Whats your water change schedule?

[Acen]

Ok i Do Have Osmocote root tabs

[Acen]

I think my picture was not telling. The plants are brittle and curled. I removed most of them to goto my emmersed setup and the decline is very evident. This was the healthiest batch that i ever received and many of them have decayed leaves and falling off.

The leggyness is because they are fairy fresh, meaning i received them from a trim pack only 2 weeks ago.

I do 50% 1x's per week and recently 2x's per week

I will post pix of the previous batch to show where it appears this batch was headed

[HD Blazingwolf]

it needs more co2

it does not grow well without it.. curling is the first sign of co2 deficiency.. this plant requries a lot

[HD Blazingwolf]

Originally Posted by stevenjohn21

The roots its sending off on the stems makes me think its searching for nutrients, whats your Ei dosing schedule ?

not true.. it does this frequently. most aquatic plants do. roots are more of a mounting, or securing system than for nutrient uptake
higher flow will also generally cause plants to put out more roots to help stabilize them

[Acen]

This is a what the last 2 batches ended up looking like

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[Acen]

My Ei schedule is the typical 3 days of alternating Macro and Micro ferts

[HD Blazingwolf]

Originally Posted by Acen

This is a what the last 2 batches ended up looking like

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you just made me believe in my post even more so.\
co2

[Acen]

Ok this is the same batch, I went emmersed in case all the others failed
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This is the same batch taken from the grow out Submerged tank.
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Hopefully they will recover emmersed