Building a 10g paludarium, need plant help

[Open_Cages]

Originally Posted by Fishies_in_Philly

i would LOVE to know the source of this info (dendroboard i presume?) in fact, before i built my first paludarium for frogs many years ago, i could not find 1 case of a dart drowning. to this day, i still have yet to read one FACTUAL account of a frog drowning. oh, everyone has "heard" of it happening, but there's no proof. i have actually seen, with my own two eyes, Tincs not only jump in the water, but swim under water the length of their tank. i have seen my Mantellas do this as well. in my opinion, it's statements and thought processes like this that actually hold the dart hobby back, not allow it to progress.

my apologies if i offended anyone, i will climb down from my soap box now.

While I agree that darts rarely do drown, I stick with the old opinion: that darts do not like water (which they don't, imo).
Most people say that they are poor swimmers, which is not especially true, unless you are dealing with froglets. I have seen with my own eyes a dart (a vent) that was perfectly healthy, but crashed into the newly cleaned glass by the water until he no longer could keep himself above the water's surface. Attempts to save him were vain, as about 15 minutes in, he died (probably from head trama more so then drowning). And though these types of things can work well, the space can be used so much more practically! Hell, when does a dart ever get a meal from a water feature?

Also, about very few drowned fruit flies, what is your setup? When I was working with geckos a few years back close to 60% of the ff drowned. IS there a way to avoid this?

[Wy Renegade]

Originally Posted by Open_Cages

While I agree that darts rarely do drown, I stick with the old opinion: that darts do not like water (which they don't, imo).
Most people say that they are poor swimmers, which is not especially true, unless you are dealing with froglets. I have seen with my own eyes a dart (a vent) that was perfectly healthy, but crashed into the newly cleaned glass by the water until he no longer could keep himself above the water's surface. Attempts to save him were vain, as about 15 minutes in, he died (probably from head trama more so then drowning). And though these types of things can work well, the space can be used so much more practically! Hell, when does a dart ever get a meal from a water feature?

Also, about very few drowned fruit flies, what is your setup? When I was working with geckos a few years back close to 60% of the ff drowned. IS there a way to avoid this?

So maybe this is a stupid question, and to be honest I have never had darts, but why in the world would someone let a dart (which I understand are a pretty expensive frogs) crash into a newly cleaned glass over and and over until it couldn't keep itself above the water's surface AND then worry about trying to save it? Seems kind of silly to me, I would think that the logical thing to do would be to move it, so it quite crashing into the glass in the first place. Also, if they don't like water, why was the dart swimming in the water in the first place?

Not trying to offend, just don't see a whole lot of logic being applied in that story, so I'm curious.