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Old 01-24-2013, 07:18 PM   #1
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45G, Too much light for a high light tank?


45G Tank (36 X 13 X 24)
2 - 36inch Odyssea 2 bulb T5HO sets. 78W per set. My understanding is that these use an inferior ballast/reflector and thus behave more like T5NO with regards to light output.
Aprox. 2 inches of substrate and light sits one inch above tank
Pressurized CO2, lime green 5dkh drop checker
Dose PPS Pro, currently just the macros per PPS and micros via Flourish until I finish the bottle

When I started I had one light set and no CO2. Before I knew about the whole par thing I got a second set to get closer to 3-4wpg. I got algae and started to research more. I found Hoppy's chart and according to it I was at 40 par with one set which he considered square in the middle of the medium lighting spectrum. So I figured 2 sets would be high light and I got a CO2 set up and started dosing PPS Pro.

I know having 2 lights doesn't double the par exactly, only on those areas where the light spread overlaps.

My question is, is this too much light and where is the max threshold for high light before having more is counter productive?

I would prefer not drop to one set because it would put me back in the medium light range. I'm thinking maybe if I raise them 6 inches above the tank that will put the light 28 inches from the substrate and put me in the area of 60 par where the light spread overlaps.

Thoughts? Or is my understanding of all this just completely wrong? Thanks!

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45G Tank (36 X 13 X 24)
2 - 36inch Odyssea 2 bulb T5HO sets. 78W per set. My understanding is that these use an inferior ballast/reflector and thus behave more like T5NO with regards to light output.
Aprox. 2 inches of substrate and light sits one inch above tank
Pressurized CO2, lime green 5dkh drop checker
Dose PPS Pro, currently just the macros per PPS and micros via Flourish until I finish the bottle

When I started I had one light set and no CO2. Before I knew about the whole par thing I got a second set to get closer to 3-4wpg. I got algae and started to research more. I found Hoppy's chart and according to it I was at 40 par with one set which he considered square in the middle of the medium lighting spectrum. So I figured 2 sets would be high light and I got a CO2 set up and started dosing PPS Pro.

I know having 2 lights doesn't double the par exactly, only on those areas where the light spread overlaps.

My question is, is this too much light and where is the max threshold for high light before having more is counter productive?

I would prefer not drop to one set because it would put me back in the medium light range. I'm thinking maybe if I raise them 6 inches above the tank that will put the light 28 inches from the substrate and put me in the area of 60 par where the light spread overlaps.

Thoughts? Or is my understanding of all this just completely wrong? Thanks!
I have 4 x 39watt T5HO under Ice Cap reflectors over a 30gal tank (17in high). Distance from the base of the lamp to substrate is 26in, so no you do not have high light. Don't overly worry about what Par you're lamp outputting, just watch the plants growth. No color = lights...nutrients, leggy growth= lights, poor leaf and or overall poor plant growth back off lighting and focus on nutrients and Co2..etc. You get the idea.

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Good to know, thanks!

BTW, what plant is that in your avatar?
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Good to know, thanks!

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The amount of light (PAR) that will produce good growth will very likely be less than needed for the best color with reddish plants. But, the potential for algae to become a major problem is much greater with higher light than with lower light. Only you can decide whether you are willing to adhere to the strict maintenance program, and CO2 fine tuning, needed for the higher light. People do it and enjoy it. Others try it and want to go back to fish only tanks due to the algae woes they run into.
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The amount of light (PAR) that will produce good growth will very likely be less than needed for the best color with reddish plants. But, the potential for algae to become a major problem is much greater with higher light than with lower light. Only you can decide whether you are willing to adhere to the strict maintenance program, and CO2 fine tuning, needed for the higher light. People do it and enjoy it. Others try it and want to go back to fish only tanks due to the algae woes they run into.
So far I'd say my algae woes haven't been horrible. I got some dwarf sag. that I thought was growing too tall due to low light so I got a second set of lights. Afterwards I noticed an increase in algae so I started doing more research(I know, I should have done more research first). That's when I came across the whole par thing and that WPG doesn't apply as well outside of T8's.

So I set up CO2 and researched ferts and decided PPS Pro fit my style. I still notice algae though mostly on upper leaves of wisteria and sword leaves that are closer to the light.

It's just started to dawn on me that I may have way too much light so I decided to see what the experts here thought. From what I've gathered my light isn't extremely high but will still require the work that goes in to fine tuning the system.

Thank you all.
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