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Old 01-08-2013, 10:54 PM   #16
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Mine look like that, just not so healthy or close-growing.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:34 PM   #17
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For reference, that's 6 weeks of growth. This is how densely it was planted on day 1:

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Old 01-08-2013, 11:44 PM   #18
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I too LOVE that house in the scape. Looks like a Swiss valley.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:37 AM   #19
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Thanks for the compliments on the house. I think I made it way back in grade school. I wanted to find a sort of witches-house sort of thing to go there so this was kind of like a place marker.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:30 AM   #20
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My experience with MM is that it really likes co2. When I switched from DIY to pressurized, it responded quickly and grew new nodes fast.

I've only had minuta, so I probably can't talk much, but to be honest, I can't tell the difference between them in their submersed state under lower lights. In my 10g under bright light and loads of co2, my minuta was *tiny*. When I moved it to my 29g, which has less intense lights, the leaves grew bigger to compensate. When I moved a few nodes to my mom's very low tech tank, it basically didn't grow many new leaves at all and slowly started to fade out.

My 29g has two of the same light fixtures that you have on yours, with three working lights (I really need to put some new bulbs in...). It has pressurized co2 and I dose EI dry ferts. I have Flourite substrate. I can grow a variety of plants in the tank (including MM to great success), but it needs the co2 and ferts.

I would start dosing ferts, or at least putting in some root tabs. Using Excel probably wouldn't be a bad idea either, or some DIY co2.
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Thanks for the suggestions!
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:10 PM   #22
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I grow both without Co2. Mine are both proven true emergent then submerged again. For reference MM leaves are about a quarter of the size of a pencil eraser. Although its sold often on here its frequently misy misidentified. The real thing is actually pretty rare to find. It never gets leaves as big as a pencil eraser, low light or not. If I could figure out how to get a pic on here from my phone I would show you the difference. I moving so my net is down and it will be a few weeks before I can get back on my laptop.
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I grow MM in my 12g with high light and high CO2. The leaves are very small (about a 2mm across).

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Mincrazy592 thats a nice tank and a prime example of the difference. MM is noticeably smaller like yours shows. High light or low light doesn't seem to make a difference on the size of the leaf and neither does Co2 or frets. With lower light you tend to get a lot more four leaved stems. Without ferts it tends to just grow a lot slower as well as Co2 but it doesn't make a difference in the size of the leaf. Ponyo and Another hobby, you guys both have MQ.
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Interesting... they were sold to my by sjb1987 here in the SNS as MM, but clearly you are correct. I like the plant, so it's good to know it's correct name!
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Interesting... they were sold to my by sjb1987 here in the SNS as MM, but clearly you are correct. I like the plant, so it's good to know it's correct name!
It was most likely sold to him as MM.
I tend to find that a lot.

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It was most likely sold to him as MM.
I tend to find that a lot.
I'm sure that's the case. It doesn't matter to me anyway because I like the plant I got.
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:56 PM   #28
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Yes. Mid identified plants are common and hard to stop because of what Han said, that's what they received it as. As far as the MQ, I like it better because frankly, it grows faster and covers more space, andtthere's only a minor difference in the two. Not worth the wait or price tag IMO. And nobody but a fellow plant nerd is going to be able to tell the difference
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Yes. Mid identified plants are common and hard to stop because of what Han said, that's what they received it as. As far as the MQ, I like it better because frankly, it grows faster and covers more space, andtthere's only a minor difference in the two. Not worth the wait or price tag IMO. And nobody but a fellow plant nerd is going to be able to tell the difference
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Wow, now I'm totally confused. So MQ is larger than MM but is commonly sold as MM? So what about M. Crenata?

I really like the small size from minicrazy592's tank. Where can I get me some of those (whatever they are called)??
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