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Old 08-14-2012, 02:19 AM   #436
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Maxtcee, are you using teaspoons or tablespoons? The measurements are in teaspoons, not tablespoons, which would be 3X more. Even with that I doubt that the fish would notice the fertilizers - these are very small concentrations. Are you using CO2? High CO2 can certainly send the fish to the surface.
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:57 AM   #437
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Yes I know I'm using teaspoons and I just recently started using co2 but they were going to the top before the co2
I just can't understand it
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Old 12-30-2012, 05:56 AM   #438
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I am very new to this and would like some help...Ok so first what I have. A 55 fairly heavily planted tank with fish. I also have a co2 injection set up. I need help with how to fertilize my plants. What I have around is
Flourish Iron
(1% Fe)

Flourish Potassium
(5% K20)

Flourish Comprehensive Supplement
.07% Nitrogen
.01% P2O5
.37% K2O
.14% Ca
.11% Mg
.27 Sulfur
.009 Boron
1.15 Chlorine
.0004% Cobalt
.0001% Copper
.32% Fe
.0118% Manganese
.13% Sodium
.0007% Zinc
.0009% Molybdenum

I also just ordered some Plantex CSM + B. I was wondering if I need to order Potassium Nitrate (KNO3), Mono Potassium Phosphate (KH2PO4), Potassium Sulfate (K2SO4) or is the Flourish Potassium enough? Also for some of my plants that need root tabs am I supposed to put multiple tabs near the plants or just a few spread out anywhere in the tank? Lastly when/what order should I be adding everything. Thankyou in advance.
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Old 12-30-2012, 01:54 PM   #439
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I have a question about the trace ferts and how to dose them. Is it better to mix the solution with water and dose them that way, or just add dry fertilizer directly into the tank? I see that the first page says "10ml or 1/8 tspn of CSM+B" (I have a 55g tank). Just curious what people do and if anyone has had better luck with one way over the other...

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Old 03-17-2013, 02:32 AM   #440
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Can someone help me out?
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...98#post2848098
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Would this same regiment be successful without pressurized CO2 and only Flourish Excel?
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Old 05-27-2013, 11:11 PM   #442
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Would this same regiment be successful without pressurized CO2 and only Flourish Excel?
The dosages listed in the tables are starting points, and are probably adequate for high light, with CO2 tanks. But, the tables can be adjusted for other light levels. If you have low light, and no CO2, you obviously need much smaller dosages. For that you can cut the table amounts in half, and probably have enough by dosing only once a week. And, if you have very high light, with CO2 maxed out, you can increase the dosages if you find it helps the plants grow better. This dosing method is a concept, not a set of hard and fast rules.
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The dosages listed in the tables are starting points, and are probably adequate for high light, with CO2 tanks. But, the tables can be adjusted for other light levels. If you have low light, and no CO2, you obviously need much smaller dosages. For that you can cut the table amounts in half, and probably have enough by dosing only once a week. And, if you have very high light, with CO2 maxed out, you can increase the dosages if you find it helps the plants grow better. This dosing method is a concept, not a set of hard and fast rules.
Thanks for the info. As it is right now I am running two t5HO 36inch x 38 watts each only 2 inches off the water on a 16-18 inch deep 30 gallon tank. I am pretty sure this is high lighting and I have only been using EXCEL and Flourish Comprehensive with the tank. Some algae...but far from out of control or unsightly.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:54 PM   #444
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i have a solution of 80 gm of csm+b into 500 ml water ,what should be the EI dosing for my 220 liter tank
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Old 06-05-2013, 02:53 AM   #445
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Besides buying ferts from known dealers, if I got ferts from a person who had planted tanks how can I tell with no labels on tha bags which is which?

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Good stuff...my hand was getting tired too from typing that all the time. The plantex CSM recipe is also important for folks to understand here.

It seems as though most people have been mixing 1 TABLEspoon with 250 ml of water or double that (2 TBS in 500 ml). That may work fine for most. At times I wish I were still in school to "borrow" a little bit of HCl.

Personally, I always end up with a mold in my bottle even though I put it in the fridge so I mix 1/2 TABLE with 250 ml of water and dose DOUBLE the required amount. So....in my 65 g tank I would dose 20 mL a day instead of 10.
I noticed that when this was written/typed the use of K2SO4 wasn't used in any of the tanks in the first instructions GH booster was used but the ones near the end of the original post shows the use of it?

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i have a solution of 80 gm of csm+b into 500 ml water ,what should be the EI dosing for my 220 liter tank
I see your still waiting for answers too, are your plants still alive or did u go get flourish which might be easier to get answers from? LOL

I'm with u on that

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I am trying to figure out how much of the ferts I should dose on my 5.5 gallon tank with 24w pc and diy co2. Does the schedule I have look right? If so what amounts should I dose?

Sunday - 50% water change then dose GH Booster and Excel
Monday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Tuesday - Flourish, Excel
Wednesday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Thursday - Flourish, Excel
Friday - KNO3, KH2PO4, Excel
Saturday - Flourish, Excel

....I am beyond confused with all the ppm and what amount to dose etc..etc..etc..
I just mix all dry ferts an dose 3x a week an I use a 1/4 tsp of CSM-B and 1/4 Iron
70gal
4 bulb T5 set up 10" off the top of my tank
Pressurized CO2 drop checker liquid is light green
5 B rainbows
6 ots
8 corys
About 10-14 tetra red eye,black mix
10-14 amanos

Java fern,rotala C. n Bangladesh, mosses, 2-3 swords small size, Anubis, dwarf sag, japonica,

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Old 06-13-2013, 12:31 AM   #446
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This helps me a lot now I have something to follow only my tank is 70gal but its custom so I might be alright plus I got more light an run a little longer well ill see what happens in a few weeks. Thanks





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Thought I'd add my two cents in because I've finally locked in my 75 gallon to the point where I think the dosing is stable and plants are thriving. Maybe someone else can use this.

This tank has pressurized CO2 and 324W of T5 lighting, which is kept on for 8.5 hours each day. Filtration is through a Eheim 2126 and a 2213 (which is used for water current and a utility filter, i.e. UV but normally run empty). A Pinpoint controller is used 24/7 for CO2 regulation (calibration checked bi-weekly).

Plant load is heavy with a number of stems, although there is quite a bit of slower-growing plants like blyxa japonica.

Input water is 100% RO, due to the fact that our water both fluctuates and is basically liquid rock. With the controller involved, I like to be very certain of my parameters. With all that said, here's what I do/dose:
  • 50% WC on Sundays, RO water rebuilt with 1 tsp. Barr's GH Booster and 1/2 tsp of baking soda. Nutrient dosing is done following the water change.
  • Su, Tu, Th: 1 tsp KNO3, 1/8 tsp KH2PO4, 10 ml Excel.
  • M, W, F: 10 ml Plantex from a stock solution of 2 tbsp in 500 ml of water.

Certainly nothing groundbreaking, but I hope this helps someone. I also try to actively remove any dead or dying leaves, or anything afflicted with algae.
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:53 PM   #447
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When dosing the GH booster or Baking Soda 1x a week/water change am I aiming for a range of 120-180ppm or something depending on the tank size, how many plants etc?




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For higher light, Co2 enriched tank's that are moderately
to heavy planted.

Add o2 to your tank daily, by either air stone or surface
agitation.

Dry Dosing... Use measuring spoon's found at
most department store's in the utensils section, scoop
appropriate amount and toss in the tank, simple as that!

I use to keep an old travel mug under the tank, and
keep fertilizers in large spice bottles, scoop appropriate
amount into cup, dip in tank, stir and serve.
Tsp=Teaspoon

*Dry Dosing Plantex CSM+B...
Converting 1 tablespoon to 250ml H20,
20 ml = 1/4 teaspoon of dry fertilizer.
There are 12 - 1/4 teaspoons dissolved
250ml/12=20.83ml.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

"If dosing a 10gal highlight C02 enriched tank,
divide above regime x2"


40~60gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/2 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/8 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
3/4 Tsp-GH booster once a week
10ml or 1/8Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
2-4ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

60~80gal
50% H20 change-weekly
3/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
3/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x a week
1 Tsp-GH booster once a week
15ml 3/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
4-8ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week

Mixing Trace Element and Iron, Plantex CSM+B,
Fe/Iron Chelate 10%- mix 1Tbsp per 250ml water-
one cap full=5ml

Adding Sodium Bicarb/baking soda:
One teaspoon baking soda will increase the kH of
50 liters of water approx. 13 gallons by 4 degrees.

Algae Issue's?
Increase C02, even if you have to use Flourish Excel,
and decrease the light, raise it up off the tank,
burn it less hour's etc, then re-evaluate the C02.

Clean & prune, all the plant's, manually remove as much
algae as you can, good condition's will slow it's growth,
even stop growth, you will need to remove the remaining
algae by hand...

Make sure you're C02 is at optimal condition's.

GDA: Cause-Too much light, reduce intensity

BBA: Add more C02/ Reduce light intensity and or duration.

BGA: add N03 and 02/oxygen.

Fish gasping? 02 Issue's?
Increase surface movement/splash, for night time/lights out,
decrease for opposite, if having 02 issue's surface
movement/splash is good.
So a simple lift of the spray bar or lily pipe to break the
surface will remedy that.

Good article on Biochemical Oxygen Demand

BOD http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/278839-post41.html

'Fertilizers for sale'

http://www.pfertz.com/

http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/

http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html

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This chart is to be used "ASSUMING" proper lighting levels are
being met. Without adequate lighting, this chart can't help you.
Check your bulbs and other threads on lighting to re-assure that
you have a proper light set-up for whatever method of aquatic
gardening you wish to achieve.

The Green represents growth, in group 1 we see that plant growth
is hindered because Micro nutrients aren't being met. Although all
other demands are given in plentiful amounts, growth is stunted by
the lacking nutrient.

Group2 is meant to demonstrate low amounts of nutrient balance =
slow growth. Lighting will drive the plants to soak up nutrients to no
end. They take and take depending on the intensity of light with no
real control. If you limit the amount of nutrients you place inside the
water column and substrate, you limit their growth, no matter how
long you run your lights.

Group 3 represents maximum growth given that all nutrients are in
abundance within a level tolerable to other inhabitants. The EI
method ensures that all nutrients are provided within tolerable
amounts to fauna, as well as a bit excess for flora, all excess is
removed with a water change every week.

Credit to Sarge for graph and text.
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An example of dosing 3x a week on my 46g tank,
This is what I do.

Sunday-----Day1)Prune,Preen,Clean glass inside, 50% or more H20
change, vac/sub, 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8-ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04,
clean glass on outside.
Monday-----Day2) 10ml Trace, 2ml-Fe
Tuesday----Day3) 1/2Tsp-KN03, 1/8ish/Tsp-KH2P04,1/8Tsp-K2S04.
Wednesday-Day4) See day2
Thursday---Day5) See day3
Friday------Day6) See day2
Saturday---Day7) Nothing or prune, or walk the dog etc.
Sunday-----Day8) See day1

Thank you cbennet for the handout you made available
to the public during your presentation at a local meeting...Kudo's!
This can either be printed directly off the screen, or
you can drag and drop it to your desktop for printing.
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When dosing the GH booster or Baking Soda 1x a week/water change am I aiming for a range of 120-180ppm or something depending on the tank size, how many plants etc?
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:28 PM   #449
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OK so I've read lots here and am planning on ordering all my ferts from GLA in the next couple days. My question before I do so is whether this is a world class planted tank fert regimen or just a 'pretty good but you've got a lot to learn' regimen. I reckon sinced I'm getting my new light next week and will add pressurized co2 shortly thereafter (currently on DIY) I will take the 3rd step toward a very heavily planted tank and fertilize properly.

This is what I plan on for my 25T under a dual T5HO 24" and 30ppm co2.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week
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My question before I do so is whether this is a world class planted tank fert regimen or just a 'pretty good but you've got a lot to learn' regimen.

This is what I plan on for my 25T under a dual T5HO 24" and 30ppm co2.

20~40gal
50% H20 change-weekly
1/4 Tsp-KN03 3x a week
1/16 Tsp-KH2P04 3x aweek
1/2 Tsp-GH booster once a week
5ml or 1/16Tsp-Trace 3x a week
Optional
1-2ml-Fe/Iron 3x a week
This looks like your standard Estimative Index (EI) dosing regimen, so it should be fine.

Of course, as with any fertilization regimen, it only serves as a basis for dosing, and you can always tweak them to suit your needs.
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