Quick question. Do you wash dirt?

Eben · 12-06-2012, 01:18 AM

I've heard different answers so i am quite confused. I plan on washing my sand cap though.

talontsiawd · 12-06-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eben

I've heard different answers so i am quite confused. I plan on washing my sand cap though.

If you are doing MTS, then yes, and a bunch of times. If you are just using potting soil, then no. I have done potting soil a few times and if I did it again, I would likely let it soak in water, in the tank for a few days, given I had the time. Then you won't get a bunch of air bubbles under the cap. Soil may come up with the bubbles.

CAM6467 · 12-07-2012, 05:34 PM

Step 1: Soak your topsoil in a tub.
Step 2: Pour out the water along with the floating crud that came out of the topsoil.
Step 3: Spread the remaining topsoil onto a tarp and allow to dry completely.
Step 4: Sift the dried topsoil through a screen to remove as much large debris as you can.
Step 5: Repeat steps 1-4 over and over until your remaining topsoil no longer has an odor.

This is the process of preparing your topsoil for a MTS mixture. Now, let me tell you that I didn't like my experience with MTS. That being said, perhaps my advice is not what you're after...

Good luck!

Eben · 12-11-2012, 01:28 AM

anyone else?

fermentedhiker · 12-11-2012, 01:35 AM

If your using something like MGOPS then washing isn't necessary. I've heard of people doing, but just to get any wood pieces or other not completely composted debris out so that it won't continue to decompose once in the tank. It certainly doesn't hurt to do that, but it's not a requirement for success.

Monster Fish · 12-11-2012, 01:51 AM

If you're making mineralized topsoil, then yes sift it and rinse it out. If you're using MGOCPM or any other organic potting mix, just lay it dry sticks and all into the bottom of your tank and cap it.

**xmas_one** · 12-11-2012, 01:59 AM

I just threw mine in and capped it. Let it run for a month with a mature filter and plants and it was good to go.

**mitchfish9** · 12-11-2012, 03:19 AM

I just soaked mine for a few days and did water changes on the tub as well as taking out the biggest clumps of floating debris.

auban · 12-11-2012, 03:44 AM

i use mostly composted cow manure and kitty litter capped with paver base. i mix it up differently depending on what i want the tank to do, but usually i just soak it and dry it once or twice and then lay it down and cap it. it helps to mix it with just enough water to make it a little bit moist when you put it in the tank. it helps it soak up water without bubbles blasting it into the water column.

that said, i wouldnt suggest cow manure unless you are trying to grow your plants at break-neck speeds. it produces a LOT of ammonia and needs a well planted tank with high light and CO2 to maintain water quality. i usually have no measurable ammonia, but i run high light and am always on the verge of gassing my shrimp.

Diana · 12-11-2012, 04:49 AM

Most substrates, sand and other materials:
I do not rinse most of these.

Some: Rinse in tank. Put the material in dry, or dampen it in its bag. Partially fill the tank deliberately making a mess, stirring it around. Siphon out the dirty water. Repeat until the water is clearer, though it does not have to be totally clear. This can be done in a bucket or plastic storage container, too.
When you are ready to fill the tank, put a plate or plastic bag over the substrate and allow the water to run in slowly and seep over the edge of the plate or bag to minimize cloudiness.

Specifically about sand:
If you are using a graded product like pool filter sand, Pebble Tek products, or any of several sand sized substrates available in fish stores you might want to give it a quick rinse, but there is only a very small amount of fines in it, since it is sieved to be all one uniform size. No rinsing works for most of these, just skim the water surface if there are any fines that float.
If you are using masonry sand (around here called Olympia #1) or play sand, then it has a LOT of fines, and you are better off rinsing it away from the tank. You may lose as much as half the material washing away the fines. Note: if you will be throwing away as much as half the product, that means it costs twice as much per pound. Buy the right product to start with. A graded product, anywhere from 30 mesh or larger particle size will have almost no waste.

Eben · 12-18-2012, 03:38 AM

Thanks Guys, Set up yesterday and is looking real nice today!

12-07-2012, 05:34 PM	#3
CAM6467 Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (13/100%) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alvarado, Texas Posts: 591	Step 1: Soak your topsoil in a tub. Step 2: Pour out the water along with the floating crud that came out of the topsoil. Step 3: Spread the remaining topsoil onto a tarp and allow to dry completely. Step 4: Sift the dried topsoil through a screen to remove as much large debris as you can. Step 5: Repeat steps 1-4 over and over until your remaining topsoil no longer has an odor. This is the process of preparing your topsoil for a MTS mixture. Now, let me tell you that I didn't like my experience with MTS. That being said, perhaps my advice is not what you're after... Good luck! __________________ "Success is not the goal, it's merely a byproduct!" - The Fraternity of Dirt #66 - Just because it's dirt doesn't make it low-tech. Coach's 29 Gallon Coach's 10 Gallon (Retired) - Coach's 20L High-Tech (Retired)

12-11-2012, 01:35 AM	#5
fermentedhiker Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4/100%) Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Warren, Maine Posts: 115	If your using something like MGOPS then washing isn't necessary. I've heard of people doing, but just to get any wood pieces or other not completely composted debris out so that it won't continue to decompose once in the tank. It certainly doesn't hurt to do that, but it's not a requirement for success. __________________ It was impossible to get a conversation going, everybody was talking too much. Yogi Berra

12-11-2012, 01:51 AM	#6
Monster Fish Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (24/100%) Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 1,813	If you're making mineralized topsoil, then yes sift it and rinse it out. If you're using MGOCPM or any other organic potting mix, just lay it dry sticks and all into the bottom of your tank and cap it. __________________ 5.5 gallon grass tank\|5.5 gallon Rili tank RAOK Club #77\|*The Fraternity of Dirt #112*

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12-06-2012, 01:18 AM	#1
Eben Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 83	Quick question. Do you wash dirt? I've heard different answers so i am quite confused. I plan on washing my sand cap though.

12-11-2012, 01:28 AM	#4
Eben Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 83	anyone else?

12-11-2012, 01:59 AM	#7
xmas_one Custom User Title (View User Tanks) PTrader: (7/100%) Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 2,060	I just threw mine in and capped it. Let it run for a month with a mature filter and plants and it was good to go.

12-11-2012, 03:19 AM	#8
mitchfish9 Planted Tank Nation (View User Tanks) PTrader: (3/100%) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Oak Park, IL Posts: 874	I just soaked mine for a few days and did water changes on the tub as well as taking out the biggest clumps of floating debris.

12-11-2012, 03:44 AM	#9
auban Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (4/100%) Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 424	i use mostly composted cow manure and kitty litter capped with paver base. i mix it up differently depending on what i want the tank to do, but usually i just soak it and dry it once or twice and then lay it down and cap it. it helps to mix it with just enough water to make it a little bit moist when you put it in the tank. it helps it soak up water without bubbles blasting it into the water column. that said, i wouldnt suggest cow manure unless you are trying to grow your plants at break-neck speeds. it produces a LOT of ammonia and needs a well planted tank with high light and CO2 to maintain water quality. i usually have no measurable ammonia, but i run high light and am always on the verge of gassing my shrimp.

12-11-2012, 04:49 AM	#10
Diana Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Contra Costa CA Posts: 5,012	Most substrates, sand and other materials: I do not rinse most of these. Some: Rinse in tank. Put the material in dry, or dampen it in its bag. Partially fill the tank deliberately making a mess, stirring it around. Siphon out the dirty water. Repeat until the water is clearer, though it does not have to be totally clear. This can be done in a bucket or plastic storage container, too. When you are ready to fill the tank, put a plate or plastic bag over the substrate and allow the water to run in slowly and seep over the edge of the plate or bag to minimize cloudiness. Specifically about sand: If you are using a graded product like pool filter sand, Pebble Tek products, or any of several sand sized substrates available in fish stores you might want to give it a quick rinse, but there is only a very small amount of fines in it, since it is sieved to be all one uniform size. No rinsing works for most of these, just skim the water surface if there are any fines that float. If you are using masonry sand (around here called Olympia #1) or play sand, then it has a LOT of fines, and you are better off rinsing it away from the tank. You may lose as much as half the material washing away the fines. Note: if you will be throwing away as much as half the product, that means it costs twice as much per pound. Buy the right product to start with. A graded product, anywhere from 30 mesh or larger particle size will have almost no waste.

12-18-2012, 03:38 AM	#11
Eben Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 83	Thanks Guys, Set up yesterday and is looking real nice today!