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Old 12-01-2012, 01:56 AM   #16
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Temp CO2 setup took like 3 min lol. I am just going to run full time as my tank is still really full and being replaced. Tubing is too long, will cut it to size when I go to 5lb. It could probably fit in the stand, especially if I took the bubble counter out but I hope to have some shelving in there.




Oh, and I think I am filling tonight. Hopefully the HC isn't a nightmare.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:29 AM   #17
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I thought my dry start was going to be worthless if I filled so soon. Surprisingly, much stayed down. We will see how much I have to replant. Not really a dry start, but it did work OK. Wanted to get the tank setup before we have holiday guests.

Now filled:
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:16 AM   #18
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ooo exciting! Now we sit and wait...this tank is going to look fab when your done!
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:55 PM   #19
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ooo exciting! Now we sit and wait...this tank is going to look fab when your done!
I should have waited to fill so hopefully I don't get much more HC pulling up. I tried to replant what came up but every time I would plant, more would come up.

The reason I filled early was the fact we are having family and I thought it would make our house look more "finished". All of our guests wonder when I am getting frogs lol.

I thank you for the interest in this tank. Unfortunately, I don't know if it will be interesting for awhile. I way try to get pics at different angles soon but the water is a bit "white" due to me trying something new. I am going to run my UV instead of daily water changes at the beginning as I don't want to pull up/loose any excess HC, be it in the substrate or floating.
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:24 PM   #20
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All in time I hear ya about the plants coming up. I have been replanting everyday since getting my plants November 13th. I'm beginining to wonder if this will be our relationship for the life of my plants
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Old 12-01-2012, 04:54 PM   #21
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I used a coralife T5NO fixture as well on my 30 gallon.. only difference was mine were 36'' fixture and i was given 39 watt bulbs with the fixture even though they can only put out 21 watts per light.

Anyway, i ended up doubling up with another fixture and it grew my HC very well. Made it pretty thick. As long as u are cranking the Co2, u shouldn't have any problems.. make sure u dose plenty of ferts too and u should be ok
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:20 PM   #22
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GZ on the house, friend.

My personal challenge would be to not over-plant it.
If you want to try some blyxa in the left back corner, you know my Earthly location.
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I used a coralife T5NO fixture as well on my 30 gallon.. only difference was mine were 36'' fixture and i was given 39 watt bulbs with the fixture even though they can only put out 21 watts per light.

Anyway, i ended up doubling up with another fixture and it grew my HC very well. Made it pretty thick. As long as u are cranking the Co2, u shouldn't have any problems.. make sure u dose plenty of ferts too and u should be ok
I have another fixture if this isn't enough. This was just temporary but it was growing HC emersed so I figured I would give it a try. The HC is growing slowly, but I am hoping the trade off is less potential for algae. My other fixture has way more light that I would ever need.


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GZ on the house, friend.

My personal challenge would be to not over-plant it.
If you want to try some blyxa in the left back corner, you know my Earthly location.
Yeah, it's hard to not want to go crazy with plants, especially when you have the resources of light, co2, nutrients, etc. I wanted something simple and understated as it is my first living room. Ironically, my GF wanted a lot of color so my next tank will like be Dutch. Next scape I should say, I am trying to limit myself to one "regular" tank and one "nano" tank, whatever sizes they end up being over the years. Having 5 tanks in two locations really wasn't very fun.

As for the Blyxa, I would love to meet up soon. I don't know if I will put it in this tank as I haven't really figured out my other plants. I could use some in my nano though. It likely would look great in this tank but I am holding off on anything until the HC grows in. The only other plant I know I am going to use is fissidens. I am trying to use the mountains behind Stinson Beach as my influence, off of memory of course.

I will PM you right now Oleg.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:31 PM   #24
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I think the scape looks really cool. The HC will eventually root. It takes patience, but I think it is pretty cool when it eventually does. I don't think you'll need a crazy amount of light for it. I wouldn't add any amanos or mts anytime soon. (not sure if you had plans to) I'd wait until the HC starts to fill in. Amanos love to uproot a lot of your efforts, and even mess with your slopes. Anyway. Great tip about the electrical outlet. You have any pictures of your autodosing setup. What are your plans for ferts etc? Quick HC tip: be sure to trim it down low and try to keep it from growing too much ontop of itself. It can really take off. And if you get lazy on the trimmings the plant can uproot if the mat gets too thick. The top layer of leaves will outcompete the bottom layer when it stacks up and the bottom layer will die and lose it's grip in the substrate causing it to float up. Also, when you trim, make sure to put a piece of screening or sponge over your intake of your lily pipe. The HC leaflets can be a pain if they get into your filter. I love hc, but the annoying part for me was the frequent trimming and cleanup. It would take me over an hour in my mini m to trim and then collect. I found a fine net suitable for shrimp was the best plant trimming collector. Mine grew so fast it was hard to keep up with. But I accredit that to the high light and long photoperiod I was keeping. I was just going to post a brief comment. my bad. looks good. all the best, walter
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I think the scape looks really cool. The HC will eventually root. It takes patience, but I think it is pretty cool when it eventually does. I don't think you'll need a crazy amount of light for it. I wouldn't add any amanos or mts anytime soon. (not sure if you had plans to) I'd wait until the HC starts to fill in. Amanos love to uproot a lot of your efforts, and even mess with your slopes. Anyway. Great tip about the electrical outlet. You have any pictures of your autodosing setup. What are your plans for ferts etc? Quick HC tip: be sure to trim it down low and try to keep it from growing too much ontop of itself. It can really take off. And if you get lazy on the trimmings the plant can uproot if the mat gets too thick. The top layer of leaves will outcompete the bottom layer when it stacks up and the bottom layer will die and lose it's grip in the substrate causing it to float up. Also, when you trim, make sure to put a piece of screening or sponge over your intake of your lily pipe. The HC leaflets can be a pain if they get into your filter. I love hc, but the annoying part for me was the frequent trimming and cleanup. It would take me over an hour in my mini m to trim and then collect. I found a fine net suitable for shrimp was the best plant trimming collector. Mine grew so fast it was hard to keep up with. But I accredit that to the high light and long photoperiod I was keeping. I was just going to post a brief comment. my bad. looks good. all the best, walter
Thanks for the compliment. This is not my first effort with an HC carpet. That's actually a major reason why I didn't care to fill earlier than later as I just don't enjoy trimming it all the time. The only reason I say it was "prematurely filled" is that I didn't let a lot of it root. I would say about 1/3 has ended up in my filter, 1/2 of what is left has been replanted, and 1/4 more should be replanted lol.


I don't plan on adding any livestock for awhile. The main reason is I need to reevaluate my fish care. I hate to admit but I am not as good at keeping fish as I would like. A lot of this has to do with the fact that for the last 3 years, I have been bouncing around a lot. I would stay at my girls house and we eventually kind of moved in together. She had roommates and then a small apartment. My parents let me keep my recording studio at their place so I never really had a steady place I would go home to every night. I was really good when I was home a lot so now that my girl and I have a house, I think I should do a lot better.

The second reason is I often have bought fish on a whim and just didn't like them. I really need to decide exactly what I want. I also need something I can get locally so I don't buy to much at once.

This filter is also not cycled so that is another issue in itself. I can seed it with mulm from my other tank and/or do fish less.


As for ferts, I am just doing EI doesing to start. The only reason I have an autodosing system is for the reason I described above. I tried to do a high tech setup when I wasn't around enough. It's not all that interesting, just two containers with fountain pumps on a digital timer that comes on for 1 min. per day. I haven't set it up yet but I will take pictures when I get to it. I am just dry dosing right now.



On another note...this fixture is pissing me off. Well, more so, I have 3 and they all are pissing me off. A bulb when out last night on the fixture above my tank. I went to hook another one up, just to see which bulbs were which color. The ballast is going out and the bulbs were flashing. One popped before I hit the switch. I remember now why I bought my other fixture, the bulbs are not reliable and I only have one brand to choose, 3 color choices. I think it will go soon.

The only reason I haven't swapped fixtures is my Aquaticlife needs to be hung. I have a few things I need to do to make a light bar work, which is the route I am thinking right now. I may also just put a shelf in, will figure that out once this months bills get paid lol. I wish the benders were easy to rent as I don't have a need to own one. Nobody seems to rent them anymore.
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So, sometimes it's funny how you can't wrap your head around something. I really wanted to figure out this light bar issue but then it occurred to me...this is my house, not an apartment. I can do whatever ever I want lol. I have only had my own home for 22 btw.

I decided to just hang my other light of the ceiling. I have exposed rafters so I did not need to do anything special.

Looks a lot "beefier" than the Coralife, both the fixture and the mounting. I will swap out the chain for wire once I figure out the final height. I kind of just guessed on the height for now, will do some research soon.

Here it is though



I figured I would take some other shots. They are a bit blurry and the color is a bit off but it give you an idea. I haven't cleaned the glass, inside or out. The inside doesn't have algae, just plant leaves and stuff from the last scape.





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You have any pictures of your autodosing setup.
Walter, here is an oversimplified explaination of my autodosing setup. It's commonly refereed to as a "fountain pump autodoser". Peristaltic pumps are better and people seem to find them cheap now but this works. It's kind of primitive but works.

The first thing you need is a digital timer that has one minute increments. This is very important as these pumps push a lot of water. I didn't take a picture but they are widely available.

Please note that this is not setup yet.

I use this pump. I found a fitting that was the same diameter as a liquid syringe. This allows me to use airline tubing to get the ferts to the tank. Here is how that looks:




You put the pump into a container. I just bought some cheap plastic ones at the dollar store. To "calibrate" it you fill it with water and see how much comes out every minute. Make a mark for each minute. My timer has 26 programs so I just let it run until the water is gone (or almost gone).

I say "calibrate" in quotes because it's not incredibly accurate, and there will always be a bit of water/ferts left over. Each mark represents 1 day of ferts. I got lucky and mine is 14 days so I add 2 weeks of ferts, as per what I would dose daily. So 14 times what you would do per day. And it last 2 weeks. Not the markings on the above picture. This is what it looks like in the container. It normally would be filled with water and ferts.



Hope you are still following. Now, once a day, for one minute, it pumps water/ferts into the tank through the airline hose. I made these little clamps to go on top of my tank. Then I used an airline "T" but melted the plastic so it only comes out one direction. Where the plastic is melted fits into a hole I drilled in the clip. This is what it looks like on top.




Hope that all makes sense.

I will briefly go over the upsides and downsides of this type of system.

Upsides:
-It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure it out. It's just simple physics, no computer controlling or ability to customize, it just is what it is.

-It only takes simple math to figure out how much ferts to mix.

-All components are likely easily available and can be in your house tomorrow.

Downsides:
-It can be expensive for what it is compared to just doing it every day. I do both macros and micros so you need a pump for each, container, timer tubing.

-The amount of days is totally reliant on your pumps and container size. If you get a weird amount of days, it's hard to keep up. My first containers were 23 days. Second try was 10 days. Took me 3 different containers to get it right.

-A bit of ferts/water are left at the end. Every month or so I flush the system out.




Lastly, I really don't think I would have gone to the trouble if I was doing it now. It is good for someone who is out of town or may miss a day here and there. I needed it when I made it. Now I don't need it, but I have it so I may as well use it.

Feel free to PM me if that isn't making sense. I didn't invent the idea, there are some DIY's on the board.
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Ok, actually got everything in. Just found out that I mixed up a fountain pump so I will not be using my autodoser until I find my other pump. Who knows how long that will take me to find lol.

Since I have everything in, I figured I would take an "under the hood" shot. You can see my regulator is kind of BS. I want to upgrade that soon, I am just going to build it as I have money and see things online.

I did make a mistake with the shelving. I forgot about the outlets so I only have one shelf. Stupid me, I should have put the filter/CO2 on the other side. It's all plumbed so I will deal with it. I will likely put my dry ferts elsewhere once I get my autodoser in order. I am proud of myself because this is by far the cleanest I have done things, outside the cords which I will deal with as it comes.

Sorry for the excessive updates, I just like to keep track of everything when I actually am on point and have time.

Last pic of the night:
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Hey Matt,

Thanks for the detailed response. Light looks great hung from the rafters and the auto doser looks rad too. Congrats on owning your own home!! great updates and upgrades. I feel you when it comes to livestock...especially fish. crazy difficult to decide, and once you do, you come home to find the ones that jumped...and your lovely school of shoaling fish decreases in size...and then one day you tweak your co2 and come home to find the shoal even sparser. It is much easier to add them later. your tank is going to look great. looking forward to the updates. -w
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Thanks for the detailed response. Light looks great hung from the rafters and the auto doser looks rad too. Congrats on owning your own home!! great updates and upgrades. I feel you when it comes to livestock...especially fish. crazy difficult to decide, and once you do, you come home to find the ones that jumped...and your lovely school of shoaling fish decreases in size...and then one day you tweak your co2 and come home to find the shoal even sparser. It is much easier to add them later. your tank is going to look great. looking forward to the updates. -w
Thanks, the light definitely makes the tank look more "substantial", for good or for bad lol. The woman has reitereated that the tank must look good 100% of the time lol.

I had an amazing school of Cardinals about a year ago. One day before a party, I thought it would look cool to fill the water to the absolute top of the tank. Woke up, not in my best state, to 2 left. Wasn't fun.

I am thinking about doing Cardinal Tetra's again. The thing I don't like is I will get a random death for what appears to be no reason. Then it will happen again, maybe in a week, maybe in 3 months. I just have never had consistency with them. Maybe someone more experienced than I would know what's going on, I could never figure it out.

I want something that schools well for sure. Rummy Nose Tetra's could work but I am wondering if they will be too "dull". They are not hard to find in my general area but not easy to find close. I said earlier in the journal that I want to stock super slow so I don't want to go somewhere 30-45 min away to get 3 fish lol. I haven't visited my local stores in awhile though, just because I haven't had the need. I am definitely only doing one species, maybe two but the second would be shrimp.
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