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Old 09-27-2012, 02:49 AM   #136
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I wasnt talking about money or value. since the new guy took sueing has been the only thing apple has been up to lately. Why bite the hand that feeds you or in this case sue the company that makes your parts. Steve knew a good company needs a good rival and that it was healthy for a company to compete and not sue them.
First of all.... If you think Apple is the only tech company suing every other company, you're nuts. Samsung, HTC, google and Motorola have all been involved in pointless lawsuits too.

If you're telling me that Samsung didn't entirely design their devices to look like apple products, then your argument can stop here. They've admitted it. Courts have decided it. They are copying what apple is putting out there.
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apple focus more on making profit, not a good thing.

as a tech company, constantly evolve is the right way, because there are others in the same product sector.
apple's glory is it was the pioneer to develop something new, and dominate the sector, thanks to Steve Job.
Time always change, Nokia, Sony, blackberry and Palm pilot are examples, they all had their glories in the mobile device sector but now is the Apple's domination. without steve Job, and constantly evolving corporation policy, apple can be the next Nokia..
at this point I don't see what makes iphone 5 better than some other smartphones.
Wrong. Constantly evolving is for companies that aren't producing things people want already. If constantly evolving was the only way for a tech company to stay afloat, please, do tell me why apple is in the position it is in.

The iphone 5 doesn't have to be better than every phone. If your goal is to produce the "best" phone, you'll have another android phone. And in three weeks there be another. And in 6 months they'll stop making updates for your product. In a year, it'll be unable to run half of the apps efficiently.

Steve Jobs didn't evolve. He was adamant and static. He stuck to his guns. Form AND function.

You can say they're going to tank all you want.... but Apple has been steadily increasing in value for 20 years. If you can't see what the business world sees, I'm not sure what to say. Their business model obviously works.

Their design model obviously works. Everyone is copying it in one way or another. Apple took mobile devices past the gadget in your pocket stage to the accessory in your hand. You might not think you care about things like that, but everyone does in one way or another.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:53 AM   #137
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apple focus more on making profit, not a good thing.
Btw, I had to come back to this statement. You're joking right?

This is a publicly traded company. Their sole purpose is to make money. WTH are they supposed to focus on?

I can't even wrap my head around this. They have CREATED a design element. The clean apple form is now copied into TONS of completely unrelated things. Home decor. Cars. Every single market is influenced by this.

If a company I held shares in wasn't primarily focused on making a profit, I'd start finding other places to invest.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:30 AM   #138
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I could never justify the extra cost of an apple product. Until I bought one.
It amazes me how many apple haters out there have never owned an apple product. Don't have an iphone. Yet.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:42 AM   #139
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Apple really does make nice things. When I compare my iPhone with my fiance's Android phone, I can tell its better made. Same thing when I compare my iPad to my HP Touchpad, or a MacBook to my plasticky Dell laptop. I don't like Macs due to price and, well, I didn't like using them, but the quality is top notch, they're really not cheaply made at all. I think it was Vizio that created a line of computers resembling the iMac. While I can't afford an iMac (nor do I want one) the Vizios got my attention - sleek looks at a Walmart price? Interesting stuff. I still love my Dell XPS though, even though the cheap plastic lid is all scratched up and it weighs a ton :p

I love the MacBook Air's design (but they're waaay overpriced!) - so minimal and clean, and now look at all the sleek copycat ultrabooks! Even the packaging for my iPad's Smart Cover was well thought out.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:50 AM   #140
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Apple was the first to submit a ban list of 10+ Samsung phones because they fear losing the market. Its only fair that the other companies fight back with counter suits. Apple might win but it's the consumers that will lose in the end. If I comeback to the states next I want to get the phone I want. One company can't control the whole market, it's illegal. If they want to sue fine, 1 billion is nothing for Samsung but dont stop others from buying other phones.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:35 PM   #141
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I still love Iphones. I love jailbreaking them too.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:08 PM   #142
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I once had an iphone... Just switched to the galaxy S3 and im loving it.
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This is the kind of stuff I hate that Apple or Sony does.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/App...Pod,17915.html
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:14 PM   #144
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I wasnt talking about money or value. since the new guy took sueing has been the only thing apple has been up to lately. Why bite the hand that feeds you or in this case sue the company that makes your parts. Steve knew a good company needs a good rival and that it was healthy for a company to compete and not sue them.
Ummm these lawsuits have been going on for way longer than Tim Cook has been CEO. These lawsuits started in spring 2011(Apple V Samsugn). Jobs stepped down as ceo in August 2011. By that point, there were 19 lawsuits in 9 countries.

The battle between Motorola Mobility and Apple started in 2010.

Jobs actually despised many of his opponents. With a deep passion. Wouldn't speak to them. He was behind the reins with a lot of these suits started.

This isn't unique to apple. This is what big tech companies do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone_wars

Brand protection is an investment.

Nonetheless, to say they are going in the ruins is nonsense.
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I will admit to one caveat of my iPhone 5. The stinking new connector. I bought a cheapy adapter from ebay - thankfully just $10, but still! - and now see that there's a little chip that the knock-offs won't have, so they won't work. I'll use it as a guitar pick for the guitar I don't have.

Luckily, my Flexsmart bluetooth adapter in the car has a USB slot for charging, so I can connect the new cable that came with the phone to that. However, for some reason, my phone will now not pair with the Flexsmart via bluetooth. My 4 did, no problem. At least I can use the aux out instead - sounds better anyways :P

All in all, I still love it, even though I did think Apple is a sneaky @#$! for doing that. They should've included an adapter, the jerks. (I know, I know, then they would lose $$$$$$$$ in $30 adapters :P).

So, no, the kool-aid has not clouded my judgement so that I think the 5 is all puppies and rainbows, but, nothing is perfect.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:53 PM   #146
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First of all.... If you think Apple is the only tech company suing every other company, you're nuts. Samsung, HTC, google and Motorola have all been involved in pointless lawsuits too.

If you're telling me that Samsung didn't entirely design their devices to look like apple products, then your argument can stop here. They've admitted it. Courts have decided it. They are copying what apple is putting out there.
Wrong. Constantly evolving is for companies that aren't producing things people want already. If constantly evolving was the only way for a tech company to stay afloat, please, do tell me why apple is in the position it is in.

The iphone 5 doesn't have to be better than every phone. If your goal is to produce the "best" phone, you'll have another android phone. And in three weeks there be another. And in 6 months they'll stop making updates for your product. In a year, it'll be unable to run half of the apps efficiently.

Steve Jobs didn't evolve. He was adamant and static. He stuck to his guns. Form AND function.

You can say they're going to tank all you want.... but Apple has been steadily increasing in value for 20 years. If you can't see what the business world sees, I'm not sure what to say. Their business model obviously works.

Their design model obviously works. Everyone is copying it in one way or another. Apple took mobile devices past the gadget in your pocket stage to the accessory in your hand. You might not think you care about things like that, but everyone does in one way or another.
wow, nice comment.

I am getting the Galaxy Note II in Nov.
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damn, anyone has apple stocks had read this thread earlier would make a good choice when the price was $700...
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I've had android phones for quite some time now. Bought my own, as well as always having the latest greatest model provided through work. So basically I would carry around two androids. The things that really bug me about android OS are random bugs. Some examples would be: taking forever to respond when trying to accomplish something, or not responding at all, rebooting all by itself, not being able to answer calls because the phone freezes, and other minor irritating things. So my contract was up on my personal phone and said what the hell, I'll try out this new iPhone. Mind you I'm referring to the 4s and this was last year. All I can say is that iOS is very stable. I still have the android for work, i just prefer the iPhone. As far as tablets go, I've tried many and always scoffed at people with their overpriced iPads. That is until I bought one.


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Old 11-13-2012, 09:23 AM   #149
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Still on line waiting for the iPhone 5gs...
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