Water in a frog viv

Taari · 11-05-2012, 09:55 PM

I'm going to be getting a couple dendro. azureus in the next week or so and I have a 10 gallon tank setup for them, but I'm already planning how to turn my 40 breeder into a nice habitat for them. I would love to have a water area that is big enough to possibly have some micro fish in, but I've been told not to have deep water in the tank or the frogs could fall in and drown. Is that accurate? I saw in another thread some pictures of nice frog vivs with large pools and waterfalls, so I am wondering if I could have a pool afterall.

Imi Statue · 11-05-2012, 11:21 PM

Interesting Question that I would like to know as well. It seems to me that having small bodies of water be they deep or shallow would be a natural occurrence in their native habitat, the amazon, there are plenty of pools and riverlettes all over the place. In fact the whole of the amazon is flooded for several months during the springs floods if I'm not mistaken.

jacketherington · 11-05-2012, 11:38 PM

I don't know about the drowning frogs. But if you make a false bottom in the tank you can keep the water pretty shallow and still have pretty decent water volume and swimming space for the fish.

Taari · 11-05-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jacketherington

I don't know about the drowning frogs. But if you make a false bottom in the tank you can keep the water pretty shallow and still have pretty decent water volume and swimming space for the fish.

That's what I was thinking if I put in a larger water space, have a false bottom for land and water underneath it in about two thirds of the tank, and leave one third with exposed water for fish.

Don't frogs know how to swim? I mean, so long as I left them ways to get *out* of the water if they fell in, you would think they'd figure it out, right?

Fishies_in_Philly · 11-06-2012, 05:23 PM

When i was planning my 125 paludarium, i did a ridiculous amount of research because i was going to put dendrobates leucomelas in it. I could not find one documented case of a drowning frog. I decided to put white's tree frogs in it only due to the fact that the plants matched their habitat better. And my frogs LOVE the water!!! I have heard similar from people about darts. In fact i remember one thread where the guy's d. Azureus would actually swim from one side of the tank to the other, under water. I trust 40 million years of evolution. They come from the water as tads, you would think that that trait would be carried onto the morphed frog. The only case i could find of a frog drowning was a guy who "claimed" one of his females sat on another female and held her under water and drowned her as a territorial dispute. He never actually saw it, just found the frog in the shallow water. Is it possible to drown a frog? Most likely, but it's like drowning a dolphin, it's possible, but it ain't easy.......lol i would imagine it would take quite some time to drown a frog. Just leave plenty of areas for them to exit the water and they should be fine.

Learner · 11-07-2012, 03:41 AM

I ran several dart tanks with 8 inches of water in the past and never drowned an adult frog. I also ran guppies in with them. Only thing I will caution you against is strong flow. Darts are not great swimmers although I have seen them do it. A gentle flow is the max. I used a small pump that basically bubbled up through a small sponge covered in moss. This way they never ahd to worry about getting swept in or around under the water.

11-05-2012, 09:55 PM	#1
Taari Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (7/100%) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Washington Posts: 334	Water in a frog viv I'm going to be getting a couple dendro. azureus in the next week or so and I have a 10 gallon tank setup for them, but I'm already planning how to turn my 40 breeder into a nice habitat for them. I would love to have a water area that is big enough to possibly have some micro fish in, but I've been told not to have deep water in the tank or the frogs could fall in and drown. Is that accurate? I saw in another thread some pictures of nice frog vivs with large pools and waterfalls, so I am wondering if I could have a pool afterall. __________________ When I can no more stir my soul to move, and life is but the ashes of a fire When I can but remember that my heart once used to live and love, long and aspire Oh, be thou then the first, the one thou art, be thou the calling, before all answering love And in me wake hope, fear, boundless desire.

11-06-2012, 05:23 PM	#5
Fishies_in_Philly Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (9/100%) Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: phila., PA Posts: 2,174	When i was planning my 125 paludarium, i did a ridiculous amount of research because i was going to put dendrobates leucomelas in it. I could not find one documented case of a drowning frog. I decided to put white's tree frogs in it only due to the fact that the plants matched their habitat better. And my frogs LOVE the water!!! I have heard similar from people about darts. In fact i remember one thread where the guy's d. Azureus would actually swim from one side of the tank to the other, under water. I trust 40 million years of evolution. They come from the water as tads, you would think that that trait would be carried onto the morphed frog. The only case i could find of a frog drowning was a guy who "claimed" one of his females sat on another female and held her under water and drowned her as a territorial dispute. He never actually saw it, just found the frog in the shallow water. Is it possible to drown a frog? Most likely, but it's like drowning a dolphin, it's possible, but it ain't easy.......lol i would imagine it would take quite some time to drown a frog. Just leave plenty of areas for them to exit the water and they should be fine. __________________ -Bill The Fraternity of Dirt #82 125 gallon White's tree frog paludarium My Madagascar Inspired Mantella Paludarium

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11-05-2012, 11:21 PM	#2
Imi Statue Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Monroe WA Posts: 355	Interesting Question that I would like to know as well. It seems to me that having small bodies of water be they deep or shallow would be a natural occurrence in their native habitat, the amazon, there are plenty of pools and riverlettes all over the place. In fact the whole of the amazon is flooded for several months during the springs floods if I'm not mistaken.

11-05-2012, 11:38 PM	#3
jacketherington Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: vancouver, WA Posts: 91	I don't know about the drowning frogs. But if you make a false bottom in the tank you can keep the water pretty shallow and still have pretty decent water volume and swimming space for the fish.

11-07-2012, 03:41 AM	#6
Learner Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Alaska Posts: 311	I ran several dart tanks with 8 inches of water in the past and never drowned an adult frog. I also ran guppies in with them. Only thing I will caution you against is strong flow. Darts are not great swimmers although I have seen them do it. A gentle flow is the max. I used a small pump that basically bubbled up through a small sponge covered in moss. This way they never ahd to worry about getting swept in or around under the water.