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Old 10-07-2012, 03:13 AM   #31
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I'm guessing the Mona Lisa is framed using high quality glass.


Here's a picture showing the difference in clarity and color tint between low-iron, starphire glass (left) and regular glass (right):

What if on the left you have BBA growing and the right you don't??? I am sure those high quality ADA glass would further enhance the beauty of the BBA carpet....
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what if on the left you have bba growing and the right you don't??? I am sure those high quality ada glass would further enhance the beauty of the bba carpet....
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:47 AM   #35
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Is form follows functions. If the extra craftsmanship does not create additional or improve the function of the tank, the design has failed. Is like you paid the full price of a Porsche and the car looks like a Porsche, but it drives like a Ford Escort. If I paid extra money for a better tank because it can help my plants to thrive better, that's value.
This is a complete Mac vs Windows situation. It really is.

I consider a tank a work of art. Chances are, you do too. If you had a beautiful work of art, say, a painting, would you cut out a construction-paper frame and tape it haphazardly to your wall with scotch tape? Not likely. Aesthetically, it would be much nicer and add to the painting as a whole to have a beautiful custom solid oak frame cut for it and to hang it on the wall, leveled with the floor/ceiling.

So, at the same time, why would you not want a rimless low iron tank? It adds to the aquascape as a whole. Let me ask all of you this: do you view your tank from afar (a few feet away or from across the room) or do you get within inches of your tank? If it's the latter, fine.

But if you truly want a tank to compliment a room or household area, there is no match. Hands down.

I respect the simple disagreement with regards to price; but to say that because it doesn't help your plants grow you disagree is plainly foolish.

Another good example is the hobby of bonsai. You wouldn't keep a 30 year old specimen that's well trained and an absolute work of art in a plastic nursery pot -- you'd keep it in a Tokoname pot or similarly made pot. But that's a little different I guess.
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This is a complete Mac vs Windows situation. It really is.

I consider a tank a work of art. Chances are, you do too. If you had a beautiful work of art, say, a painting, would you cut out a construction-paper frame and tape it haphazardly to your wall with scotch tape? Not likely. Aesthetically, it would be much nicer and add to the painting as a whole to have a beautiful custom solid oak frame cut for it and to hang it on the wall, leveled with the floor/ceiling.

So, at the same time, why would you not want a rimless low iron tank? It adds to the aquascape as a whole. Let me ask all of you this: do you view your tank from afar (a few feet away or from across the room) or do you get within inches of your tank? If it's the latter, fine.

But if you truly want a tank to compliment a room or household area, there is no match. Hands down.

I respect the simple disagreement with regards to price; but to say that because it doesn't help your plants grow you disagree is plainly foolish.

Another good example is the hobby of bonsai. You wouldn't keep a 30 year old specimen that's well trained and an absolute work of art in a plastic nursery pot -- you'd keep it in a Tokoname pot or similarly made pot. But that's a little different I guess.
Mac versus Windows? Not even close. Windows AKA PC is different than a Mac not because of the look. It is because a PC is an open hardware. In a Mac, it is a close system. You can build your own PC choosing from the computer case to the power supply you want. You can't do that with a MAC. A PC has a freer platform. An ADA tank versus all other tanks? Well, they both hold water. Acrylic tank has no rims too. Can the ADA tank offer more functions and advantages over your regular glass and acrylic tank? Not really. Would I want an ADA tank and to pay for it? No....I still have BBA in my tank. I have a small spot of GSA at the top corner. I have an acrylic tank which I paid $260 for it, 40g. Is already rimless. My tank won't look better, so as my plants, if I were using an ADA tank. How about ADA drop checker? What? $50??? I got a glass one off Ebay for $10. Is glass. The shape is the same. It does the same thing too...
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Mmm...I get up close, as close as I can to my tanks. I can't see why an ADA would make my shrimp/reef/corals look more beautiful than they do in my standard 55 gallon and rimless Mr Aqua tanks. I don't focus on my seams and the glass looks clear to me! I simply don't know what I'm missing, and that's ok, because I'm happy with what I have.

I agree about the Mac vs PC comparison, but...more $$ doesn't = better (I've used both). I'm for more bang for the buck...if I was a baller, then yes, I'd get the best of the best, but I'm not quite there yet! Yes, for the most part Mac/ADA means better made, higher quality, but PC/regular tanks are good enough for me!

I have beautiful photographs placed in $5 bargain frames and no one can tell the difference between a $2 mat around the picture and a $25 one. It's what's *in* the frame/tank that counts - to me.

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Old 10-09-2012, 02:22 AM   #38
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I respect the simple disagreement with regards to price; but to say that because it doesn't help your plants grow you disagree is plainly foolish.
lol

I agree with Kiran, anyone who says ADA is placing focus on equipment is completely wrong.

"Anything blocking the aquascape is unnecessary".

The ADA Cube Garden series place focus on the plants and fish, the stars of the tank, the way it should be. That is why they use LIG and are trimless, rimless and frameless.

I love how the the cube garden series appears to "float" in the air.

(and by an extension other rimless tanks aswell, then it comes down to brand choice and that is a free choice for everyone to make)
I buy ADA tanks and products because I like and appreciate the innovative and fun to use products they come up with for planted tanks, I was in saltwater and was used to getting new products developed and released frequently.

I myself do not like acrylic tanks (personal preference), a plastic tank just feels cheap to me. If I wanted a plastic tank, I would go to home depot and get a 300g rubbermaid pond and keep an arapaima.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:31 AM   #39
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Mac versus Windows? Not even close. Windows AKA PC is different than a Mac not because of the look. It is because a PC is an open hardware. In a Mac, it is a close system. You can build your own PC choosing from the computer case to the power supply you want. You can't do that with a MAC. A PC has a freer platform. An ADA tank versus all other tanks? Well, they both hold water. Acrylic tank has no rims too. Can the ADA tank offer more functions and advantages over your regular glass and acrylic tank? Not really. Would I want an ADA tank and to pay for it? No....I still have BBA in my tank. I have a small spot of GSA at the top corner. I have an acrylic tank which I paid $260 for it, 40g. Is already rimless. My tank won't look better, so as my plants, if I were using an ADA tank. How about ADA drop checker? What? $50??? I got a glass one off Ebay for $10. Is glass. The shape is the same. It does the same thing too...
I come from two comp sci majors, I realize this.

My point does not lie in the technical experience of the Win/Mac debate -- it lies in the visual and aesthetic experience. I'm not implying that an ADA tank makes your plants look better, no -- I am stating that as a whole, it adds to the clean, simple concept of the planted aquarium.

The drop checker, yes, you are completely correct and I'm admitting so.

The bottom line remains, however, that if you care about your entire aquascape, your entire aquarium as a piece of furniture rather than a glass box to hold water, the ADA wins. If not, to each his own and I'm glad you're happy with a non-ADA tank (really, I am). For the pure aesthete, it's ADA or bust.
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To some of us, ADA isn't the clear - sotospeak - winner if you want a tank that looks nice too, complementing what's inside. If you're conscious about money, ADA will never win...for many of us it isn't an option. I do care about my tank's appearance, its not simply a glass box to hold water, hence the rimless 13 gallon I bought over a standard 10 gallon because I wanted something different, but price trumps top notch quality for us with tighter budgets - I'll take white gold over platinum and still be happy.

To say that if you don't give a crap about your tank's appearance/total package then sure, be happy with your non-ADA inferior tank and settle seems a little elitist to me (that's the vibe I got from the post)...a lot of us DO care but ADA isn't the be all end all to a beautiful tank to some! So a pure aesthete can't be cost conscious too? Maybe not I guess.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:01 PM   #41
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All my tanks are ADA tanks now, except for the mr aqua at my parents home. I like them because they add that final touch to a great aquascape. If you have a great looking design and scape, why not have a great looking tank too?

I agree, it's pricey, there are cheaper tanks out there, but when it comes down to the final details, why not go all out?
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:19 PM   #42
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If the ADA tank doesn't make my shrimp healthier, grow bigger, breeder faster, live longer, then it's just a waste of money. Paying for a little more clarity and a cheap sticker that say ADA stuck to the corner, you guys go right ahead.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:28 PM   #43
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How is this even an argument?

You either like them or you don't. If you like ADA, buy ADA. If you don't like ADA, don't buy ADA.

It's not necessary to complain, criticize or get upset. That's silliness.
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It's just a healthy debate - do you think the extra cost is justified? Some say yes, some say no. Opinions are neither right nor wrong. The original post wondered what was so special about them...I'm curious what the answer is - it's a good question!
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You won't know until you actually own one yourself. Get one if your budget allows . Otherwise, stick with $1/gal tanks from Petco and you'll be content.
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