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Old 07-25-2012, 03:54 AM   #1
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N. California Mud Bottom Pond Biotope. (56k)


Have had this idea for a while and then found an amazing clist deal on a tank with light, filters, books, food, test kits, ... Picked it up and filled it fast

Here are some pre-fill pics. Currently the tank has been capped with some river sand and has been filled - the background will be replaced with black. Some of the drift wood adjusted itself as I apparently hadn't pre-soaked them thoroughly enough.




Light are 2x 4' T5s. Occupants will be a handful of small mosquito fish, two adult California Roach, and a few sunfish - whatever the local pond has to offer but likely green sunfish, pumpkinseeds, or a bluegill or two.

It's a 55g.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:15 AM   #2
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Great idea! I assu e you don't even need a heater for this.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:30 AM   #3
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I think it's a great idea to utilize native aquatic plants and fish and see how nice it would look like.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:31 AM   #4
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Great idea! I assu e you don't even need a heater for this.
Thank you.

I don't expect to use heaters although I have a few lying around just in case. The sunfish, mosquito fish, and roach all have a pretty wide range of water tolerance.

I might be most excited that I now get to go fishing with the goal to be to catch small fish
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:00 AM   #5
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Filled:




Video of my messy garage being taken over by fish tanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4bWbPZW73k


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I slightly want to add an old aluminum beer can to the tank. Could that hurt my fish? Aluminum is pretty inert - do fish mind it at all?
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really neat set-up, i like the wood alot. What type of plant is that on the far right? and an empty beer can would be funny as hell, have to post a pic if you add it in. cant wait to see it once you get the fish.
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really neat set-up, i like the wood alot. What type of plant is that on the far right? and an empty beer can would be funny as hell, have to post a pic if you add it in. cant wait to see it once you get the fish.
Thank you. The wood adjusted a tad when I filled up but I think it works as is. I did this easy and just collected everything from the same local pond/stream. Made it fairly easy to throw together and have it look natural.

The plant on the far right is pennywort. It generally likes to have it's leaves float on the top of the water so it should stretch and provide quite a bit of shade over that end of the tank. I'm slightly hoping it grows in real thick so I can support a small breeding population of mosquito fish that the sunfish wont be able to easily snack on.



Looks like the tank has just completed it's cycling. Ammonia spiked a few times which prompted quick water changes but seems to have leveled off now. I also found a site to collect some very young sunfish so it looks like we're just waiting on permits.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:40 PM   #9
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So I have hit a dilemma. I've been conversing with the DFG and it seems as though it's very unlikely that I'll be granted a research permit. I can however pay $750 for an aquaculture permit and then an additional fee for a live collection permit which is absolutely nuts for collecting less than half a dozen fish... So I asked a past professor of mine that worked as a State Park peace officer and is now a lawyer and she pointed me to the California Constitution which states:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

Section 25. The people shall have the right to fish upon and from
the public lands of the State and in the waters thereof, excepting
upon lands set aside for fish hatcheries, and no land owned by the
State shall ever be sold or transferred without reserving in the
people the absolute right to fish thereupon; and no law shall ever be
passed making it a crime for the people to enter upon the public
lands within this State for the purpose of fishing in any water
containing fish that have been planted therein by the State;
provided, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken.

So... technically speaking you don't need a fishing license to fish, nor can the state charge/fine for permits/lack-thereof. This is coming from someone that worked as a game warden and is now a lawyer but as legal as it may be I'm slightly sheepish about challenging the establishment.

Either way I find it pretty crazy that no one in the state of CA needs a fishing license.
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, that the legislature may by statute, provide for the season
when and the conditions under which the different species of fish
may be taken.
i could be wrong but couldn't a fishing license be considered a condition? also dont know about California but here you can buy a single day fishing license and be within the law and save a few bucks.
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i could be wrong but couldn't a fishing license be considered a condition? also dont know about California but here you can buy a single day fishing license and be within the law and save a few bucks.
I would assume the conditions to be referring to federal and state protected species. I have a fishing license but according to the CDFG you still cannot transport live fish. I can catch and kill as many sunfish and mosquito fish as I want but transporting them 5 blocks to my house is illegal. I could get a live bait permit which would allow me to catch and transport but not house, a research permit which I don't really qualify for, or an aquiculture permit which would require state certification and inspections... CA has pretty much made it illegal to keep wild caught fish. Even if you are a teacher and want to have an indoor educational tank you still need a research permit with 3 members of the schools executive staff to write off on it along with a research proposal...

So it's either break the law (which apparently according to my professor wouldn't be breaking the law - still sounds fishy to me), or order fish from out of state which is legal. Makes sense right? Legal to import exotic and domestic species, legal to kill as many of these particular species as I want each day, but illegal to catch and keep them alive.
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What are those plants on the far right corner?
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:27 AM   #13
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It sounds similar to here... Must have a licence to fish, and you cannot transport live fish, because their concerned about people moving fish/plants from lake to lake, and rightfully so. Except that here, you ARE allowed to collect as long as its for personal use in an aquarium (im not sure the rule on plants...)

Ive had tons of local fish spp. and I even posted the pictures in the fish section of the TPT site for most of the sunfish spp and a few hybrids. They destroyed my plants and I got rid of them eventually, so beware... I get to see alot of nice specimens at my job, too bad I dont keep them anymore!
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What are those plants on the far right corner?
That would be pennywort. Typically it grows on top of the water and look semi similar to lilly pads.

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It sounds similar to here... Must have a licence to fish, and you cannot transport live fish, because their concerned about people moving fish/plants from lake to lake, and rightfully so. Except that here, you ARE allowed to collect as long as its for personal use in an aquarium (im not sure the rule on plants...)

Ive had tons of local fish spp. and I even posted the pictures in the fish section of the TPT site for most of the sunfish spp and a few hybrids. They destroyed my plants and I got rid of them eventually, so beware... I get to see alot of nice specimens at my job, too bad I dont keep them anymore!
Yeah I understand why they would be concerned but I think they should make exception for responsible hobbyists. I wouldn't mind giving the DFG a reasonable amount of money for the appropriate license it just doesn't seem like the appropriate license exists.

What I think is funny is that here in California you can collect as many aquatic plants as you'd like without any type permit. No big deal if you tear out the habitat but don't collect a few fish.

Regardless I'm sure I'll make something work out.
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yeah, were lucky here that the higher ups realize that even the small fish (that most people dont want to catch) are a valuble asset, not only ecologically but also in our tanks!
Im sure you will figure something out as well... I would try calling your states fisheries department to ask if they know the best way. If you try calling the conservation officers/rangers or whatever your state calls them, they wont be very helpfull on this matter. People that work in fisheries are awesome!!!
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