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Old 05-09-2012, 07:16 AM   #16
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interesting, my kids would love to find all the stuff listed! unfortunately, all i get when i use it is a bunch of small twigs. no more or less than i get when i use ada or other clay fired stuff. though in akadama's mfg defence, it is marketed as a bonsai soil, which is what 99% of people use it for here (i get them at local bonsai shows) and the extras dont really matter much, plant wise, but are a big deal to the dept of ag. gotta keep an eye out when i open the next few bags for interesting items now.
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:23 PM   #17
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What exactly is akadama? It sounds like overpriced and overhyped turface
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Old 05-11-2012, 07:11 AM   #18
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What exactly is akadama? It sounds like overpriced and overhyped turface
I think I asked that question before and a member told me that turface doesn't buffer the ph down neither absorbs nutrients nor soften the water. That is if I remember well.

Although, for bonsai I'm pretty sure it's the same, I believe that it's been used successfully by pro shrimp breeders to keep parameters stable and ideal. It would be interesting to see the experience of an enthusiast that has successfully used turface to breed high grade shrimp. I look forward to it because this thing is not just expensive, now it's kinda rare and it comes all the way from the other side of the globe.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:40 AM   #19
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I think I asked that question before and a member told me that turface doesn't buffer the ph down neither absorbs nutrients nor soften the water. That is if I remember well.

What???!! So I've been lied to this entire time? It might not buffer the water, but it definitely HAS to have some effect on absorbing nutrients and softening the water. Based on experience it has definitely done the latter for me, almost too well. And as for nutrient absorption, I know some terrestrial container gardeners who swear by its CEC. I think this particular user you talked to was a akadama salesman
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What???!! I think this particular user you talked to was a akadama salesman
Lol! No, he was actually saying that he uses turface for planted aquariums. If I ever go for a planted hight tech again turface or ada as will be my choice.

I really want to find an American option to this Japanese mud! I'm sure we got something somewhere in such geologically diverse country!
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:49 AM   #21
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I'm wondering if I should sell the 2 gallons I have left.... Hmmm
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:35 AM   #22
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You could sell it I have a beat on a hidden shop that has some, and not the super small but in small. has about 40 bags.. He has given me 10
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:33 PM   #23
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I really want to find an American option to this Japanese mud! I'm sure we got something somewhere in such geologically diverse country!
I've been at a job site for the past month where anything under a feet under the ground is all clay. I secretly want too take a few buckets home lol. Diy style :P

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I'm taking my Double Red line out of my tank.
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:44 AM   #24
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I've been at a job site for the past month where anything under a feet under the ground is all clay. I secretly want too take a few buckets home lol. Diy style :P

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I'm taking my Double Red line out of my tank.
Why are you takin it out?

Would the clay you find have the sme buffering/softening proprieties that akadama has? In that case turn on your oven!
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is akadama just soil clay? if it just soil clay it isnt hard to fire but adding high CEC is another story.

also making ADA soil or something alike isnt hard. oven oven, bake, bake, fire, fire.
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Precisely.

If they don't want to change their collection and packaging method, it looks like it may have to be irradiated in order to be imported without hassle. Which shouldn't alter costs too much.

My last few bags of super small grain all contained large chunks of quartz and roots the size of carrots.
I may be late to jump in on this but why would I want to buy a product with such awful qc even if they irradiate the stuff it still has a good chance of having crap I don't want in my tank and for the price I would pay I damned well should not have to pick out anything at all.
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It is not meant for aquarium use. It is for Bonsai Trees, se we are using it out of the normal scoop of use. So that is why you get these issues with plant matter in it. Now for bonsai trees that would not matter
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is akadama just soil clay? if it just soil clay it isnt hard to fire but adding high CEC is another story.

also making ADA soil or something alike isnt hard. oven oven, bake, bake, fire, fire.
It is Volcanic clay soil but it is not baked like Flourite, but it has higher CEC capabilities, but you can smash it between your fingers, and any floating product settles very quickly, there are some good videos on youtube about the soil.

All kinds of organic material floats out of my AS during the first use.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:45 PM   #29
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Is there any news on this ?? Are we going to see it back in USA?
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:25 PM   #30
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No idea where to get it in the us. I have a stash tho, not for sale.
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