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Old 07-30-2011, 05:11 PM   #31
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okay thanks a lot, is there a south american variety? I may have read wrong but always assumed they came from there. =p
Just to clarify - all Discus have originated from the wild in tributaries of the Amazon river in S.A.
Most discus available these days are not wild-caught in S.A., but farm-bred in various countries of the world, and Malaysia just happens to be one the best and most prolific countries for domestic discus breeding & exporting to the rest of the world, particularly to N.A.
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:02 PM   #32
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Yes, the floaters would probably help do that - although there shouldn't be a need for them if you have a BB tank, are doing large frequent wcs, and have a good sponge filter.

Looking for discus fry in So Cal ? -
Kenny's Discus in Daley City, Ca. is probably one of, if not the best, for discus in the U.S., according to numerous experienced discus keepers on the simplydiscus.com forum. However, don't know if he breeds his own, or has access to good fry from other So Cal breeders - you could check with him, he'll probably know.
He's a very successful, reputable importer of Forrest discus from Malaysia.

Daly City is in SF, Nor Cal, not So Cal. Bing Seto, Dick Au both reside in the SF area and have more than few comments and books on the subject.
I've gotten some of their culls for cheap, but they and others here have good stock if you wanna pay for it.

I think CO2 is FAR more a factor and feeding/food in planted tanks than ANY nutrient issues, other than NH4.....which is absent in planted tanks.
Folks worry too much about nutrients and not enough about the REAL killer, CO2.

I'm also not sure that stunted smaller discus are "bad" per se, Bonsai are not bad either and large fish in a smaller tank does not look good either.
Depends on the aquarist goal there...........And folks like to add/cram many fish into a small tank.

I've bred discus, set up massive tanks for them, and measured the planted tank parameters going back 15-20 years now. Myths abound strongly still with plants and these fish.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:01 AM   #33
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Default I bought 16 quarter size discus,

my question is can i use tap water i believe it has flouride, for very small size discus i also have sand that i bought from a swimming pool place that very small granule that i added about a month ago deciding to buy african fish, i have raise dicus before i sold them and they were adults,to make this story short ,do i have to remove the sand and make it bare,and buy bottle water from a super store 1.25 for a five gallons ,thank you mike
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:16 AM   #34
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Yes, the floaters would probably help do that - although there shouldn't be a need for them if you have a BB tank, are doing large frequent wcs, and have a good sponge filter.

Looking for discus fry in So Cal ? -
Kenny's Discus in Daley City, Ca. is probably one of, if not the best, for discus in the U.S., according to numerous experienced discus keepers on the simplydiscus.com forum. However, don't know if he breeds his own, or has access to good fry from other So Cal breeders - you could check with him, he'll probably know.
He's a very successful, reputable importer of Forrest discus from Malaysia.
Bill @ inland empire discus usually has good fry available and is more local. Seen all his barebottom tanks and they look great. He also sells good beefheart flake a good stable diet.

I got all my Adults from Kenny, they look awesome, I dont' think he sells fry though.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:52 PM   #35
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Can you believe that I do not have to change the water ( I have over twenty years of tropical fish - but not discus - keeping experience and am an aquatic plant collector and seller) even though I am feeding them beef heart every day. And my plants also grow like weed with so much nutrients in the water column.
Not to be insulting, but your tank will eventually crash. Guaranteed. You MUST do regular water changes. When all you do is add new water you are concentrating all the dissolved solids, any waste pollutants & chemicals left from evaporation. Eventually the tank will be saturated with them & it will just stop "working". Just about no one has yet to keep a perfect self contained biosphere that needs zero water changes...

Can you get away with diminished water changes with a large plant load? Yes. Can you eliminate them? No.

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They aren't Challenging per se but the challenge being that you have to take care of them daily without fail until they grow into adults.
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I was the op on this thread about a year ago so will give my 2 cents on raising young discus. Out of the 7 Joe gargas discus I started with 3 are alive at 5" and of the 6 stendkers I started with 3 are alive at 6" (one just jumped to death last week). I have done daily water changes since I got them and still they found interesting and varied ways to die from columnaris to flukes to flagellates to jumping. Now that I am experienced and have made all the mistakes, I can raise up juvies without deaths and can deal with the regular issues quite easily. But still they will keep you on your toes
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:39 PM   #38
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I will toss this out here because I feel like it should be said, dime-quarter size discus is a little small for a beginner. You can do it, but they're much less forgiving about errors, and there's so much more you can do (or not do) to mess up their growth for the rest of their lives.


I would suggest buying like 2.3-3 inch discus, then just do a lot of water changes and feeding and wham bam you've got good discus.

Also, a 55 is small in my opinion, I'm sure you'll agree when they get to adult size. 7 fish that can be six to eight inches in a 55 with plants is a little crammed, a 75 is much more suitable.
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I got my 3 discus from the same person. He sent me 4
For $30 shipped that's a real deal.

I keep my discus in tap water with a ph of 6.5
Kh n gh at 4-5 drop.

I dose npk +fe, water change 50% a week.
Feed them 2 cube DIY beef heart food, 3 time a day.

I have 1 7inch black ghost, 1 catfish. 6 rummy nose, 6 cory, 2 Otto.
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Any info you read online about discus isnt true.
Mostly the part where it say keeping discus is hard.

I'm going to grab 6 super red from the same person in a couple week.
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Man you gotta change more than 50% weekly. That ain't cool. Like cleaning your room once a year as a kid, stuff gets dirty.
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Man you gotta change more than 50% weekly. That ain't cool. Like cleaning your room once a year as a kid, stuff gets dirty.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:15 AM   #43
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Any info you read online about discus isnt true.
Mostly the part where it say keeping discus is hard.

I'm going to grab 6 super red from the same person in a couple week.
Get back to us in a year
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:37 AM   #44
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[QUOTE=In.a.Box;1860655]Any info you read online about discus isnt true.
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What isn't true, is that sentence.
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