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Old 05-10-2012, 04:37 AM   #1
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Would flourish comprehensive be enough for fertilizer in a high tech set up? I have a 10 gallon tank with amazonia, Co2, high light, and now need to find the right fertz. I don't want to get into dry, for now, and now need a fert and my lfs has tanks with baby tears growing with just comp. and excel.


side note; what is brighty k from ADA and would that be okay?
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:54 AM   #2
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sorry to hijack your thread, but anyone notice how the chlorine content in Flourish comp. is so high as opposed to the other elements? Whats up with that?
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:09 AM   #3
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Would flourish comprehensive be enough for fertilizer in a high tech set up? I have a 10 gallon tank with amazonia, Co2, high light, and now need to find the right fertz. I don't want to get into dry, for now, and now need a fert and my lfs has tanks with baby tears growing with just comp. and excel.


side note; what is brighty k from ADA and would that be okay?
comprehensive is trace elements only, you would still need to get a source of macro fertilizers.
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Agreed to what Noahma said. Its only part of the puzzle.

Curious why you dont want to get into dry ferts? Its WAY cheaper then Seachem, Last longer, Gets you what you need. Plus VERY VERY easy to dose. One "kit" of dry ferts will last months for one purchase. The Seachem will go fast and you will have to buy more sooner. There are venders/Sellers here on the TPT that have deals for 22 bucks for dry ferts last a long time.
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Flourish will work as your micro or trace fertilizer as others said. You need to also dose Nitrate, Potassium, and Phosphates.

Brighty K is potassium.


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I tried only using comp in my high tech tank and I starting running into problems. Adding macros to the equation helped me alot and my plants took off.

Dry ferts is the way to go, my bags will last me over a year
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I will get into dry fertz but first I want to see if nitrogen potassium and phosphate (also micros) is really the key. I am buying 100 mL bottles so it won't last me long and if I like the results am getting into dry. This is more of a test run for the nutrients. So in time I will go dry but for now probably not.
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It will work, there's no doubt. It just will come with a price.
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I will get into dry fertz but first I want to see if nitrogen potassium and phosphate (also micros) is really the key. I am buying 100 mL bottles so it won't last me long and if I like the results am getting into dry. This is more of a test run for the nutrients. So in time I will go dry but for now probably not.
Well the test have all been done before and plenty of proof in it that nutrients are vital. But so is light and co2 levels that match the lights drive of the plants. In tanks where there is enough light and the par/distance from substrate to light is high enough, lacking nutrients micro and macro along with carbon cause issues with plant deficiencies and are shown by poor growth, rotting stems, discoloration, holes in leaves and other issues. then as plants are not being efficient in growing the only items left to take advantage are algae. Some are even brought on by lacking nutrients. As one of my favorite sayings Tom Barr says just grow plants well. Where plants grow well and there is balance algae is kept at minimum.
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could you guys maybe help me ser up a dosing schedule for my tank. I have 36 watts of T5 on my 10 gallon Do!aqua, not sure how much Co2 because the tank , the isn't set up yet, the substrate is ADA amazonia, and plants are HC, Glosso, And Microsword. I am wondering what I should dose phosphate wise? I have potassium, Nitrogen, phosphate, and plant to use comprehensive as macro.
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So your doing pressurized co2 or its not set up yet? Is the light just sitting on the tank? Or legs or hanging? What brand is the light? And I assume its a 2 bulb fixture?

Switching to dry ferts will make it easy. If dosing dry this is what it would be roughly. Dry or liquid when providing non limiting nutrients you want to do a 50% or more water change at the end of the week of dosing. when dosing one day dose micro then the next macro is my preference.

Dry dose
10-20 Gallons
1/8 tsp KNO3 3x a week
1/32 tsp KH2PO4 3x a week
1/32 tsp K2SO4 3x a week
1/32 tsp (2ml) traces 3x a week

If your using the flourish line of ferts you have your micro/trace
Then the nitrogen dose 6 to 7 ml
Phosphate dose 3 to 4 ml
Potassium dose 3 to 4 ml
I also like to add a little Fe for the plants that need it.
Dose those amounts 3 times a week. You could dose the npk on the same days and your micro the others every other day but your water change day.
I believe hc is a very high light and co2 demanding plant so getting co2 will benefit it as plus high light without proper nutrients and co2 tends to breed an algae farm .
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:38 AM   #12
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The tank is not set up yet, and it's pressurized Co2. It is mostly from seachem, but my lfs has a discontinued item from kent for 5 bucks and I picked up their phosphate, but everything else is from seachem. The light is a aquatic life 20 inch dual bulb that has the legs holding it above. I don't think glosso, baby tears, and microsword need iron right.
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the dosing method aquaticfan provided is a very good method (IE) dry ferts will save you a crap ton of money in the long run, KNO3 is about 4 bucks a lb. which would last you a pretty long time.

Remember while you are dosing the base EI method, some plants do use up more fertz than others, and you may have to play with the dosing just a tad to get things set perfect.

My 36g eats through KNO3 like crazy, I have to dose double the normal amount or I start getting stunted plants lol I have very nitrogen heavy feeders in the tank.
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I will get into dry fertz but not yet.
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