Metricide 14 to replace the Excel dosing

The_Finglonger · 08-22-2010, 07:31 PM

So for a gallon of metricide 14, I would need to dilute it with half a gallon of distilled water to get the ratio needed?

Scuba Steve · 08-23-2010, 12:33 PM

You could do the math up front and then dose at full strength. Saves you the hassle of finding mixing containers and the mixing. BTW, the ratio appears to be 1.5% (Excel) versus 2.6% (Metricide). (The ratio issue has been explored here.) I've seen folks either dose Metricide at 50% or 60% of the Excel dose and not report issues. I just started dosing to fight some BBA and am using 50% of what I would have used with Excel.

The_Finglonger · 08-23-2010, 12:48 PM

thanks!

OverStocked · 08-23-2010, 12:49 PM

Excel IS 1.5% Glut: http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/co...r=asc&start=30

Sharkbait-ooHAHA · 09-16-2010, 12:32 AM

I saw the syringe method of getting the metricide out of the jug. Are there other ways so as not to spill it everywhere?

mrchach · 09-16-2010, 02:14 AM

well im gonna assume they are all chemicals... and potassium which im sure we have bags of dry ferts with potassium in it... if its pure it is highly highly explosive... so chemicals are nothing to play with period, always wear protection if your dealing with anything, and read MSDS sheets!

Whats interesting is that it was stated as a chemical used to kill things...
While its a good source of carbon im not sure that "cides" are good things to be dosing pets and much cared for plants... while it is cheaper than co2 systems and much more easily regulated than diy systems, it is still a "poison" of types and should be treated as such... I wonder if maybe thats why shooting it directly onto algae helps kill it, i was assuming that the carbon factor simply stunted the algae somehow... now im thinking your spraying the algae with a herbicide and before it has time to dilude (10ml into 55 gal is a hell of a dilution for something thats already diluded to 1.7/100th).

The_Finglonger · 09-16-2010, 03:13 AM

I use a turkey baster to get mines out of my metricide mix.

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Originally Posted by Sharkbait-ooHAHA

I saw the syringe method of getting the metricide out of the jug. Are there other ways so as not to spill it everywhere?

tuffgong · 09-16-2010, 04:14 AM

I pour my Metricide into an old Excel bottle that's re-labeled as Metricide 14.

ridethespiral · 09-17-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffgong

I pour my Metricide into an old Excel bottle that's re-labeled as Metricide 14.

My excel bottle is almost empty and I was thinking of ordering a jug and doing this exact same thing

It has the child proof cap which I can barely get off at times

fresh.salty · 09-23-2010, 10:10 PM

Someone help me please. I barely made it through algebra in high school in 1973. lol

Anyway, I have an empty 2L bottle of Excel. How much Metricide do I need in the bottle to come up with something about the same strength.

Been using it in my 90g for clean up but also in my 3g. I'd prefer not using it full strength since the 3g dosage is already real small.

dbosman@msu.edu · 09-24-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by fresh.salty

Someone help me please. I barely made it through algebra in high school in 1973. lol
Anyway, I have an empty 2L bottle of Excel. How much Metricide do I need in the bottle to come up with something about the same strength.
Been using it in my 90g for clean up but also in my 3g. I'd prefer not using it full strength since the 3g dosage is already real small.

We can't help you as we don't know the strength of YOUR bottle of Metricide. It varies.
People can't even agree on the percentage of Gluteraldyhde in Excel. Apparently it varied over time and Seachem changed their MSDS sheet a year or so back so it doesn't list it anymore.

Give us the strength of the Metricide you have and someone will give you an amount of water to add to X amount of Metricide to reach a specific concentration equivalent.

fresh.salty · 09-24-2010, 01:38 PM

Had to wait until this morning, MY bottle of Metricide is at my shop and says 2.6%.

fresh.salty · 09-27-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fresh.salty

Had to wait until this morning, MY bottle of Metricide is at my shop and says 2.6%.

And I'd like to make 2L of "Excel strength" to dose.

snafuspyramid · 09-28-2010, 11:59 AM

I dose a 10% solution of gluteraldehyde supplied by a native plant breeder in the Northern Territory (Aus).

So far so good.

But the water has gone cloudy recently. Mmm.

staticfritz · 10-18-2010, 08:56 PM

any reason not to use metricide 28 vs 14?

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Scuba Steve Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1/100%) Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 84	You could do the math up front and then dose at full strength. Saves you the hassle of finding mixing containers and the mixing. BTW, the ratio appears to be 1.5% (Excel) versus 2.6% (Metricide). (The ratio issue has been explored here.) I've seen folks either dose Metricide at 50% or 60% of the Excel dose and not report issues. I just started dosing to fight some BBA and am using 50% of what I would have used with Excel.

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Sharkbait-ooHAHA Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 38	I saw the syringe method of getting the metricide out of the jug. Are there other ways so as not to spill it everywhere?

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mrchach Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (1/100%) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Fayetteville, TX Posts: 446	well im gonna assume they are all chemicals... and potassium which im sure we have bags of dry ferts with potassium in it... if its pure it is highly highly explosive... so chemicals are nothing to play with period, always wear protection if your dealing with anything, and read MSDS sheets! Whats interesting is that it was stated as a chemical used to kill things... While its a good source of carbon im not sure that "cides" are good things to be dosing pets and much cared for plants... while it is cheaper than co2 systems and much more easily regulated than diy systems, it is still a "poison" of types and should be treated as such... I wonder if maybe thats why shooting it directly onto algae helps kill it, i was assuming that the carbon factor simply stunted the algae somehow... now im thinking your spraying the algae with a herbicide and before it has time to dilude (10ml into 55 gal is a hell of a dilution for something thats already diluded to 1.7/100th).

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fresh.salty Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (17/100%) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,939	Someone help me please. I barely made it through algebra in high school in 1973. lol Anyway, I have an empty 2L bottle of Excel. How much Metricide do I need in the bottle to come up with something about the same strength. Been using it in my 90g for clean up but also in my 3g. I'd prefer not using it full strength since the 3g dosage is already real small.

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fresh.salty Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (17/100%) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,939	Had to wait until this morning, MY bottle of Metricide is at my shop and says 2.6%.

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staticfritz Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (2/100%) Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 40	any reason not to use metricide 28 vs 14?