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Old 02-07-2013, 01:01 AM   #1
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Default PFR vs Supreme Red breeding

I made a rant about how overrated PFRs are, but I lost it and I don't want to type it all out again. X/ In short, I have had very little success breeding PFRs, mostly because they dropped almost all of their eggs. All my parameters were fine, and I was doing everything I should have. Now that I'm ordering Nick's awesome Supreme Reds, I was wondering how they compare in terms of breeding.
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Old 02-07-2013, 01:05 AM   #2
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Same, they're both the same thing... A really red cherry. I wouldn't expect anything different. You should have success with either one.
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Same, they're both the same thing... A really red cherry. I wouldn't expect anything different. You should have success with either one.

+1 I have both. Used to have them in separate tanks and different params and they bred fine. Now have them all in one tank with different params from their original tanks and they still breed fine. No difference noted. I had a problem with my PFRs dropping eggs when I first got them and I had been doing too many water changes and was vacuuming the gravel as well. Stressed them to the max and they would drop eggs within days of berrying. Went to changing water once every two weeks and never touching the substrate. By the time I tore down the PFR tank I had over 200 babies in a 3 gallon tank And that was even after selling 50-100 a month.
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+1 I have both. Used to have them in separate tanks and different params and they bred fine. Now have them all in one tank with different params from their original tanks and they still breed fine. No difference noted. I had a problem with my PFRs dropping eggs when I first got them and I had been doing too many water changes and was vacuuming the gravel as well. Stressed them to the max and they would drop eggs within days of berrying. Went to changing water once every two weeks and never touching the substrate. By the time I tore down the PFR tank I had over 200 babies in a 3 gallon tank And that was even after selling 50-100 a month.
Mind telling me the exact setup you have that did this? I have had 2 females out of 6 drop their eggs... now I'm just really upset.
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I have had a tank up and running for about a month now. I'd like to get some rilis. We have well water that starts out quite hard. I have been pulling my water for the tank from the tap after it goes through the iron filter and water softener. This lowers the GH to about 3 degrees but leaves KH high, around 12 degrees. TDS is ~375. pH is 7.6 at tap and 8.2 in tank.

Would this be ok for neo shrimp, or would it be better for me to just use the unfiltered iron rich hard water? TDS would remain the same, I believe, and given the KH, the pH should also be about the same. But GH would probably shoot up to around 9.
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i just read an article today about how higher grade shrimp (PRL/PBL/ETC) which have been breed for deeper/brighter/etc colors tend to have thicker shells and this sometimes is why they are harder to raise/breed. thicker shells means molting is harder on them.

BUT like mordalphus says, and i've experienced. cherries or BKK or BB or pinto or etc etc.. if you have the right conditions they should all breed with no issues.

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Yeah mine breed in anything. I threw a handful of PFR culls in a bucket full water and floaters and forgot about it for 2 months. Pulled all the floaters out and probably had 40-50 shrimp now.
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Well, time to get out the test kits.
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The egg dropping is inconsequential of the breed and likely more so of the environment. Are the TDS shifting in the tank due to ferts or water change? stability is key in building a successful colony up.
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Results:
pH: 7.6
dKH: 5
dGH: 7
Ammonia: 0
Nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 40
Phosphates: 3(?)
TDS: 283

Obv. nitrates are a little high, but they certainly have not been this way always.
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So, how are my params for Supreme Red neos?
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I keep all my neos in very hard tap. Check out our water quality report: http://www.valleywater.org/WorkArea/...t.aspx?id=9063

The thing to keep in mind with placing them into softer water is that they will molt even when they don't need to yet so you'll run into molting problems, which ultimately leads to death in most cases. This is why it's important to try to mimic the originating water params as best as you can... or just drip acclimate for up to 8hrs. Something I haven't tried myself but would recommend if you're not planning to match water params.
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I keep all my neos in very hard tap. Check out our water quality report: http://www.valleywater.org/WorkArea/...t.aspx?id=9063

The thing to keep in mind with placing them into softer water is that they will molt even when they don't need to yet so you'll run into molting problems, which ultimately leads to death in most cases. This is why it's important to try to mimic the originating water params as best as you can... or just drip acclimate for up to 8hrs. Something I haven't tried myself but would recommend if you're not planning to match water params.
What's your hardness? pH seems to be what yours is too.
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My tap tds is ~390. My kh and gh are off the charts last time I used the API test kit. I no longer bother testing kh and gh anymore.
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My tap tds is ~390.


Wow. Mine is 33 and we donít live all that far apart. This really illustrates why a TDS meter is so necessary. Clearly our water sources are very different.
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