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Old 01-06-2013, 01:03 PM   #1
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Default plants are getting light green, yellow then became like a Sieve

3 years ago, i used to have frontosa and Oscar fish. 8 months ago i started having discus, neon and some plants, after 5 months, developed to have full planted tank, 1.5 centimeter of substrate and 4 centimeter of gravel , it was magnificent.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pi...ictureid=13985

the plants were growing well and very fast, i used to run the lights and co2 1 bubble/sec. for 12-14 hour a day, my swords grows up to 80 centimeters and so other plants till i started cutting the edges.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pi...ictureid=14001

after tow months , i discovered some hair algae and alot of black spots on the leafs. i hocked a UV sterilizer, used my hands to get the hair algae out of my tank lost a lot of plants because i cut the damaged plants with black spots, i used a fish care specialist (green a way), turned the lights off for 2 days, i changed 30% of tap water, then i used (Nitrifying Bacteria 14 in 1), it works to get rid of the algae.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pi...ictureid=14033

but now after (2 weeks) is the horrible thing . my plants color gets light green, yellow and some of them became like a Sieve as shown in my photo album no3.
my Tank is a 29 gallons.
120 ltr of tap water, Temperature 83 F.
60w 10000 k & 40w 6500 k.
ph controller, co2 kit fixed at 6.85 through the day, but goes up to 8.01 at night.
UV sterilizer 11watt.
2 discus and a bout 35 tetras, neon, rummy nose, red eye, Green fire and zebra, all of them are small size.
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:10 PM   #2
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Mustafa - you will need to read up on plant nutrients. Besides CO2, plants need macro and micro nutrients. It sounds/looks like your macros (NPK) have run out, which will stop plant growth and eventually kill them. No plant growth also results in algae, and while you can add all sort of algae killers it doesn't resolve the situation. Forget about the algae and focus on your plants. Healthy growing plants are the best algae killer.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:16 AM   #3
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Smile alot of thanks to you Wasserpest

Hello my dear Waeeerpest
i used these essential nutrients before and added 50 ml of Tetra Plant plantaMin to the water, that was 4 weeks ago, but after i added it i faced the hair algae so i stopped adding it again, i was afraid, because i thought it promotes the algae, the planta Min contains iron & manganese & other macro nutrients such as potassium. so, is it ok to add an other 50ml of plantaMin again or not ( the instructions said to use it every 4 weeks ).
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Most of the commercially available aquarium plant nutrients do not contain (at least in noticeable amounts) Nitrates or Phosphates. Yet both are required for healthy plant growth.

Adding nutrients per se does not lead to algae, however, if your plants are already dying, or some other nutrient is missing, it might seem like it. Google "Liebigs law of the minimum" for a good visualization.

Plants need ALL nutrients in small amounts. Adding something every 4 weeks seems not a very good approach. Most of us dose DAILY.

So... my recommendation would be to get some KNO3 and KH2PO4 (if available where you live), read up on dosing, and then start in small amounts, and monitor your tank over longer periods. Yes, initially you might get an increase in algae, as your plants are not in their best shape to process the nutrients and grow. Perhaps adding some healthy plant mass along with the nutrients would be a good idea too.
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Most of the commercially available aquarium plant nutrients do not contain (at least in noticeable amounts) Nitrates or Phosphates. Yet both are required for healthy plant growth.

Adding nutrients per se does not lead to algae, however, if your plants are already dying, or some other nutrient is missing, it might seem like it. Google "Liebigs law of the minimum" for a good visualization.

Plants need ALL nutrients in small amounts. Adding something every 4 weeks seems not a very good approach. Most of us dose DAILY.

So... my recommendation would be to get some KNO3 and KH2PO4 (if available where you live), read up on dosing, and then start in small amounts, and monitor your tank over longer periods. Yes, initially you might get an increase in algae, as your plants are not in their best shape to process the nutrients and grow. Perhaps adding some healthy plant mass along with the nutrients would be a good idea too.
would you please take a look to my photo album no:3 to evaluate my situation. by the way today i bought "Test 6 in 1" to test my water, i think the kh & gh are very hi. when i make the test i will post the results to you.
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Most of the commercially available aquarium plant nutrients do not contain (at least in noticeable amounts) Nitrates or Phosphates. Yet both are required for healthy plant growth.

Adding nutrients per se does not lead to algae, however, if your plants are already dying, or some other nutrient is missing, it might seem like it. Google "Liebigs law of the minimum" for a good visualization.

Plants need ALL nutrients in small amounts. Adding something every 4 weeks seems not a very good approach. Most of us dose DAILY.

So... my recommendation would be to get some KNO3 and KH2PO4 (if available where you live), read up on dosing, and then start in small amounts, and monitor your tank over longer periods. Yes, initially you might get an increase in algae, as your plants are not in their best shape to process the nutrients and grow. Perhaps adding some healthy plant mass along with the nutrients would be a good idea too.

ok dear Wasserpest
1- i started adding the planta Min daily 2ml, it contains iron, manganese, potassium & other macro nutrients.
i will ask about the KNO3 , KH2PO4 at agriculture stores but my be they don't know the dosage because they don't know about fish and water plants.
2- my water test shows that i have high levels Gh 16 Kh 20 and No2 about 1.5 tommorow i will get Ro water Tds 25
and change 50% of the tank to lower the Gh and Kh but why i have high level No2 ?? and how do i solve these things
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:54 PM   #7
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your situation is you need nutrients. it is very apparent

nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iron, zinc, boron, sulfer, copper, and any others i missed
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Default my water test results

i used the Tetra Test 6 in 1 and this is the results

no3 : 100
no2 : between 1-5
gh : 16 degree
kh : 20 degree
ph : 8.0
cl2 : zeero
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i used the Tetra Test 6 in 1 and this is the results

no3 : 100
no2 : between 1-5
gh : 16 degree
kh : 20 degree
ph : 8.0
cl2 : zeero
Well, this comes a bit as a surprise. If that is true, then you have an excess of Nitrates. And Nitrites should be zero. KH and GH are a bit on the high side, possibly you are using a substrate that is not completely inert?

One thing you might want to do is to "calibrate" your test kit by testing different water sources with known parameters. You might know what is in your tap water, so you could verify that. You could also test some distilled water which should show as zero NO3 and NO2.

Keep in mind that the "test strips" are not very precise. Still should give you a rough estimate. If you confirm your test results, it might be good to increase your regular water changes. NO2 is poisonous for fish.
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Well, this comes a bit as a surprise. If that is true, then you have an excess of Nitrates. And Nitrites should be zero. KH and GH are a bit on the high side, possibly you are using a substrate that is not completely inert?

One thing you might want to do is to "calibrate" your test kit by testing different water sources with known parameters. You might know what is in your tap water, so you could verify that. You could also test some distilled water which should show as zero NO3 and NO2.

Keep in mind that the "test strips" are not very precise. Still should give you a rough estimate. If you confirm your test results, it might be good to increase your regular water changes. NO2 is poisonous for fish.
that's why i wrote that the no2 is between 1-5 because the test strip color wasn't clear and i don't have any fish dieing, a couple of days i will repeat the test.
thank you again, today we had snow, i feel a sleep, good night.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:38 AM   #11
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today i visited the agriculture store equipment.
he said, he is not sure if his fertilizers which is used for flowers, trees, vegetables, fruit trees, orchards ... will be safe to my fish.
it's brand name is " Grow more ", it's a Turquoise Grains 100% water soluble fertilizer concentrate for foliar and soil applications.
N : 20
P : 20
K : 20
Fe:0.10%
Zn:0.05%
Cu:0.05%
Mg:0.10%
Mn:0.05%
Mo:0.0005%
B :0.02%
Ca:0.05%
S :0.20%
is there an expert who can encourage me using this staff in my planted tank, note that, also i have fish in the tank.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:13 AM   #12
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Smile After adding the fertilizers, my swords are getting too long again

Hello every body, my good friends,, sorry for being away for a while, studying masters degree in music.
i took all your advices in eye of consideration, RO 30% water changes every week, getting lower levels of Gh & Kh, i planted another red and green plants, added root fertilizers 2 inches under the gravel, and a daily 10 drops of plantamin. After 2 weeks, all of the plants are growing up and my old swords are getting too long again. but i am afraid of having problems again, because the sword are now about 32 inches, it's covering the surface of the water.
Q: is this situation will lower the light levels for the other short plants.
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Hello every body, my good friends,, sorry for being away for a while, studying masters degree in music.
i took all your advices in eye of consideration, RO 30% water changes every week, getting lower levels of Gh & Kh, i planted another red and green plants, added root fertilizers 2 inches under the gravel, and a daily 10 drops of plantamin. After 2 weeks, all of the plants are growing up and my old swords are getting too long again. but i am afraid of having problems again, because the sword are now about 32 inches, it's covering the surface of the water.
Q: is this situation will lower the light levels for the other short plants.
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your situation is you need nutrients. it is very apparent

nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iron, zinc, boron, sulfer, copper, and any others i missed
thanks for caring, my dear,
please read my answer to Waeeerpest about nutrients, note: i have fish and plants in my Tank,
how do i test nh3/nh4
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What is ur po4 at? Nitrites should be zero, same with ammonia. Both of those can burn plants at high enoug levels
So no2, and nh3/nh4 should be zero
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