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Old 11-30-2004, 02:56 PM   #1
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In some of Amano's nano tanks he uses "wall mat" instead of gravel substrate to hold plants down. Anyone know what that would be?

I'm putting together a small nano and I'd like to use something similar to keep the moss in place. I've got some plastic gutter guard (similar to 1/4" hardware cloth) but in such a small, all-glass tank I'd like something a little less obvious.
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Old 11-30-2004, 07:18 PM   #2
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Not sure if this is what you are looking for....?
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...Moss_Wall.html
I posted this link about a month ago on aquariacentral's forums to see if anyone had tried it. It _is_ a way to control moss - just maybe not in the right direction?
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:02 PM   #3
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I believe it is some sort of woven bamboo or the likes.
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That looks very interesting and pretty simple to put together, granted that you can find the mesh. I'm considering it at the moment, since the back of my aquarium is unpainted.

If anyone has done this, let me know where you got the parts from.

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Interesting indeed. It appears as though Home Depot may have something like this.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:34 PM   #6
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Check Outside Lawn and Garden in Lowes. It will be near the Hardware cloth/chicken wire (same thing you are showing, only in plastic rather than metal)
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That looks very interesting and pretty simple to put together, granted that you can find the mesh. I'm considering it at the moment, since the back of my aquarium is unpainted.

If anyone has done this, let me know where you got the parts from.

TIA
I have done this in my 10 gal (looked good with Christmas moss) and removed it a while ago. I used plastic mesh that is sold in the craft sections of Walmart, Michaels and such. I think it's used for cross-stitch patterns or something, not sure. Only a few cents each square, many colors available. The meshsize is a little on the fine side, but no problem.
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Old 12-01-2004, 06:14 AM   #8
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Awesome. Thanks for that info, WP. I'm gonna make a trip over to one of those stores in week.
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Old 12-01-2004, 03:09 AM   #9
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Not sure if this is what you are looking for....?
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...Moss_Wall.html
Thanks for the replies.

I've put together something similar out of "gutter guard" screening and Choroplast corrugated plastic. Had a devil of a time finding the plastic mesh for that project. Home Depot here sells plastic hardware cloth in 15' and 25' rolls two or three feet wide, truly a lifetime's worth of moss walls. Besides the excess length, I was worried about the (large) size of the holes and the possibility that some of my smaller loaches might work their way into the wall. (What are the chances a loach would do that, eh?)

Canadian Tire carries the gutter guard. It has smaller sized holes than the plastic hardware cloth, close to those described in the article. Only problem is that the gutter guard is only 6" in width. I ended up welding two strips together with a soldering pen to do the back of the 20 gallon.

Anyone know what "Canadian Tire" translates to in American? Lowes or Fred Meyers, perhaps?

This week's trimming hopefully will yield enough spare moss to start the wall. Should be interesting to see if it works.


All the plastic mesh I've seen so far is thick and black, and I think would be somewhat "intrusive" on the bottom of a nano. Some of the nanos pictured in the Amano book I have seem to use a finer meshed open weave grey "fabric", but it's difficult to figure out what it is from a couple of glimpses in some pictures.

The idea of woven bamboo sounds interesting. I'm going to be in Vancouver later this week, so I think I'll wander down to Chinatown and see what some of the importers down there have in stock.
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this is probably something very close to what you are using http://www.lowes.com/lkn?action=prod...=12119-339-451

I cant find a decent image of the hardware cloth, but it typically comes in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2" sizes ...
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Same idea, but the Lowes product looks a bit fancier that what I've got. Mine is a simple black mesh with holes just slightly smaller than the diameter of a pencil.

I really must figure out how to post pictures on these forums...
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Besides the excess length, I was worried about the (large) size of the holes and the possibility that some of my smaller loaches might work their way into the wall. (What are the chances a loach would do that, eh?)
I used the black 1/2" plastic hardware cloth from Lowe's for the moss wall on my nanocube. My only regret was that the clear suction cups I used turned white after extended immersion and really stood out until the moss grew over them. My kuhli loaches and cherry shrimp hide in it all the time, but I haven't seen one of them get stuck.
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Default Burlap Cloth

I have been using burlap cloth sold in garden centres for wrapping shubs for winter or as pond basket liners. I use it as the substrate and 'weave' the plants or roots into it.

I got the idea from a article writen by Peter Bradley in Practical Fishkeeping magazine.

Its also called Jute carpet backing, Hessian cloth.

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Old 12-11-2004, 01:41 AM   #14
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I don't get how u can attach the mesh to the glass without leaving any gaps when all you use is suction-cups.

I think it's dangerous for the fish that likes to hide, for example the young dwarf ciclids.
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