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*Edit 5-10-13
NOTICE - Firmware has been updated for outdoor lighting. Final product list: Photodiode: VTB8441BH price: $4.660 http://www.alliedelec.com/search/pro...x?SKU=70219652 Cosine diffuser: 2447 white plexiglass price: varies, get the sample or buy a big sheet of it. http://www.eplastics.com/Plastic/Ple...lack_and_White http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23681 Basic 16x2 Character LCD - Black on Green 5V price: $14 but you can get it cheaper on e b a y http://www.sparkfun.com/products/255 Arduino Uno price: $30 http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10356 http://www.sparkfun.com/products/11021 (newer model) Diagram
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The little photodiode might sense PAR or it might sense nearer to lumens, or anything in between. Considering the cost, that slight disadvantage isn't that important. It could work well for adjusting the height of T5 lighting, checking how much shading the plants are doing, noting bulb deterioration, etc. But, for getting data that can be compared to other's data, it wouldn't be that great.
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Good point.
I think taking the average of all of the readings per second would make it PAR? All of the math can be done through my microprocessor.
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Someone send this man a par meter so he can see how close they are! STAT!
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No need to send me a PAR meter although I wouldn't mind having one for a while
Once it's built I can post some standard readings like sunlight at noon and people with a real meter can confirm the readings.
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I found some neat µmol m-2 s-1 conversions and some standards like full sun is 2000 PAR on Apogee's website.
http://www.apogeeinstruments.com/faq_solar.htm#Q3 Posting for posterity. 1 µmol = 6.02 × 10^17 photons
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Different light sources have different spectral output characteristics. I think to make this work you'd need to put a filter which combined with the silicon sensor response would approximate a PAR curve.
Sounds like an interesting project. Good luck! jim |
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Here's the spectral sensitivity of this photodiode. As you can see, not the best match
![]() I did find a photodiode that fits the bill though http://sales.hamamatsu.com/en/produc...part-g1118.php ![]() It's $17 , I think. Maybe I'll get it one day... I couldn't pass up a $1.5 photodiode.
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mistergreen, what's the difference between relative spectral sensitivity and photo sensitivity? If they're the same, the trend of the graph looks similar however, the peaks are very far off(1.0 and 0.3). If there is a scaling factor/calibration, it would be worth looking into before spending $17 bucks.
Sorry if my questions/comments sounds dumb, I am no light expert, just want to contribute and point out what I though to be a little bit of inconsistency. Overall, I think you have got brilliant idea rolling! Edit: I looked at it again and seems like the photo sensitivity/peak of photo sensitivity = relative spectral sensitivity. Is this correct? If it is, it may fit pretty well. |
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Try getting a light modifier for theater lights, a piece of gel, with a spectrum near what you are looking for. I bet you can get a "goodnuf" match.
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Is there a gel that blocks InfraRed?
Well, hopefully, calibrating the output based on Hoppy's chart might be 'goodnuf'. I went ahead and contacted Hamamatsu on how to get their photodiode.
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If you're measuring underwater I don't think you'll need to worry about infrared. In a dry tank you probably need something but I'd try the green gel first before working on the infrared part. In an otherwise subdued light room you'd be measuring the output of flourescents which don't have any significant IR output to measure. If you're measuring incandescent or MH that's a completely different story with lots of heat output.
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Oh, I'm just looking into the Hamamatsu diode... Haven't bought it yet until I played around with the cheaper diode.
photo sensitivity is a electrical engineering term referring to photodiodes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photose...ic_engineering And spectral sensitive is another term for photo sensitivity ( another unit of measurement like inches & centimeters ).. I assume they measure the same thing.
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I received the photodiode yesterday. Got to play with it a little. In this picture, I'm trying to find the right resistor for this set up.
![]() A 4.6K resistor seems to work. I'm calibrating the max output to sunlight.. 1024 (5V) is the max reading and sunlight through a window gives a reading of ~900. So I think I got it. Mounted the photodiode on a electrical cap ![]() Assembled the jar... This nub in the jar is a problem. It casts a shadow on the photodiode. ![]() I moved the diode to the side and gave the plastic a little frost with fine grit sandpaper to scatter the light a little. ![]() Next step is to calibrate these numbers to the PAR readings.
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