I never had either. I didn't know what was going on until I googled it. Sorry for the bad cell pic. It's facing up toward the light so I got really bad glare without the flash on. This plant has doubled in size since adding excel daily.
46 Bow Front Planted
Eheim 2217 & 2236, 2-39wt T5 bulbs (10,000), 75-78*
Amazon sword, red lotus, Christmas moss, and crypt lutea, Wisteria, Crypt Wendtii, Water Sprite.
12 pristella tetras, 23 cardinal tetra, 8 amano shirmp, 2 bamboo/flower shrimp, 1 mystery snail, 2 nerite snails, several assassin snails and cherry shrimp.