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Psiorian 10-22-2013 07:00 AM

Psiorian's 60F
 
So, I’ve been lurking on the forums for a while, and I’ve seen my fair share of journals (maybe too many, its all I do at work). Since you guys helped me pick my tank, I decided it is only fitting to do a journal about it.

Disclaimer I’m still relatively new at this so any suggestions are welcome.

Specs:
Tank: ADA-60F
Lighting: Current Freshwater LED+
Filter: Eheim Ecco 2232, Cal Aqua X1s Inflow.
Substrate: ADA Amazonia
Hardscape: Seiryu Stones

So I’m trying out the layout now. I want to do like a white sand beach sort of scape down a valley.

I've been messing with rock placement for now. There will be white sand where there is no substrate currently (please excuse the bad pictures and the funky lighting):

Top View:
http://i.imgur.com/mC4kSzNl.jpg

Front View:
http://i.imgur.com/Mk66en4l.jpg

I'm liking the right side of the scape. Close up of the Right Side
http://i.imgur.com/x8hW9KRl.jpg

I’m not sold on the left side I have two options what is in the front view above or the picture below. Alternate Left Side 2:
http://i.imgur.com/dAPkbeGl.jpg

Things will be easier to see without those fruit loop cardboard in the way an the sand in. Any suggestions on the initial hardscape?

I am trying to debate between HC and UG for the foreground. Do you guys think if I do one side with HC and one side with UG that would look weird? Any opinions on what I should do for the foreground?

I'm going to look for sand tomorrow and get some substrate dividers to keep the substrate out of the sand and foreground plants from mixing.

xmas_one 10-22-2013 01:18 PM

Nice stones you picked there. I would skip the sand path idea if it was my tank, just becomes a mess and is overdone imo. If you want to do ug and hc you could go with ug on the sides and back and hc in the middle for your "path".

Psiorian 10-22-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas_one (Post 4523049)
Nice stones you picked there. I would skip the sand path idea if it was my tank, just becomes a mess and is overdone imo. If you want to do ug and hc you could go with ug on the sides and back and hc in the middle for your "path".

You've done the sand path before? Does it require a lot of maintenance?

I bought this tank just to do a sand theme :P

Maybe if I don't use too white sand? Maybe white mixed with black to create a gray look so it wont be too bad if it mixes a little with the aquasoil.

The HC path is also a good idea. I'll have to think about this one some more.

talontsiawd 10-22-2013 06:08 PM

Looks good so far. I really like the right side but I think the two bigger rocks should be slightly further apart since they are very similar in shape. I like the second version of the left side as well.

Brian_Cali77 10-22-2013 06:14 PM

Congrats on the new acquisition! Great start so far. I guess the AFA SCAPE meet couldn't wait? LOL

Anyways... I say if you like the sand go for it. You're the one that's going to be looking at it on the daily. I'm not going to lie, it does require more work to keep it tidy. But it's a labor of love. I personally still like a little sand, it adds character IMO.

OVT 10-22-2013 07:53 PM

I certainly like the right side - a winner. Left, um, maybe also try to angle the rocks a la right side? The shape of the path: blunt up the top corner a bit, the needle tip looks a bit unnatural to me, or plant something at the very top.

Light sand and AS is a PITA, but I love the look.

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Psiorian 10-22-2013 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by talontsiawd (Post 4524377)
Looks good so far. I really like the right side but I think the two bigger rocks should be slightly further apart since they are very similar in shape. I like the second version of the left side as well.

Thanks. I'll move them and take some more pictures to see how that looks.

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Originally Posted by Brian_Cali77 (Post 4524417)
Congrats on the new acquisition! Great start so far. I guess the AFA SCAPE meet couldn't wait? LOL

Anyways... I say if you like the sand go for it. You're the one that's going to be looking at it on the daily. I'm not going to lie, it does require more work to keep it tidy. But it's a labor of love. I personally still like a little sand, it adds character IMO.

I figure during the SCAPE meet I can buy something else :P You can always buy something else from there, especially if there is a sale. I found the rocks at the bonsai place across the street for half the price AFA was selling them for, same stones.

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Originally Posted by OVT (Post 4525049)
I certainly like the right side - a winner. Left, um, maybe also try to angle the rocks a la right side? The shape of the path: blunt up the top corner a bit, the needle tip looks a bit unnatural to me, or plant something at the very top.

Light sand and AS is a PITA, but I love the look.

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Yea the path is supposed to be blunted as is the front two corners, my cereal box supports didn't hold up as well as I wanted, but I didn't want them to be too firmly in place as I need to remove them with the sand in. Planting something at the top also sounds interesting, what did you have in mind for that?

I guess I'll still give the sand a go, see if I can handle it.

I have some more rocks as well so I'll do more work on the left side.

Any thoughts on the foreground plant? HC vs UG? Could I do both without looking unnatural?

Brian_Cali77 10-22-2013 08:36 PM

I personally like UG, only because it's the newer trend and not as readily available. However, if you haven't done HC and have an urge to have the best of both worlds, why not! Go for it... you can always make changes after if you don't like the results.

Here's a tank shot I saved in my folder of "inspirations"... there's a combo of HC and UG executed well IMO.

http://i3.minus.com/j4uHbPbjbfDDc.jpg

On a side note... anyone know how this like river/stream was achieved underwater like that? Looks like some type of resin or something.

OVT 10-22-2013 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Psiorian (Post 4525201)
Planting something at the top also sounds interesting, what did you have in mind for that?

The path seems to peak/end right center.

If you want the illusion of depth, something shorter then on the sides and front, which is a challange. Maybe S. repens, hydrocolite Japan, a single blyxa. Blah, me not liking those choices. For a focal point, a single AR mini. Dearf water lily might work. E. tropica aka Rosette sword. Gee :)

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zodduska 10-22-2013 09:49 PM

Congrats on the new setup! I love the 60F and hope to try one some day.

I really like the setup so far and I think there's been a lot of good suggestions. You might want to consider either adding some more substrate behind the rock closest to the back wall on the left or moving it slightly away from the rear glass to allow access for planting behind it.

http://i.imgur.com/mC4kSzNl.jpg

It might also be worth mentioning that the rock on the left front, if placed with a large flat side facing up near the tank center has a good chance of growing algae unless moss or similar covers the surface, at least its what I've noticed in my tank.

Psiorian 10-22-2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_Cali77 (Post 4525377)
I personally like UG, only because it's the newer trend and not as readily available. However, if you haven't done HC and have an urge to have the best of both worlds, why not! Go for it... you can always make changes after if you don't like the results.

Here's a tank shot I saved in my folder of "inspirations"... there's a combo of HC and UG executed well IMO.

http://i3.minus.com/j4uHbPbjbfDDc.jpg

On a side note... anyone know how this like river/stream was achieved underwater like that? Looks like some type of resin or something.

Awesome thanks, I saved it as well and I'll see if it'll work with the scape however it turns out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OVT (Post 4525537)
The path seems to peak/end right center.

If you want the illusion of depth, something shorter then on the sides and front, which is a challange. Maybe S. repens, hydrocolite Japan, a single blyxa. Blah, me not liking those choices. For a focal point, a single AR mini. Dearf water lily might work. E. tropica aka Rosette sword. Gee :)

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Thanks for the suggestions, it looks like it might be better to just not make it pointed :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by zodduska (Post 4525665)
Congrats on the new setup! I love the 60F and hope to try one some day.

I really like the setup so far and I think there's been a lot of good suggestions. You might want to consider either adding some more substrate behind the rock closest to the back wall on the left or moving it slightly away from the rear glass to allow access for planting behind it.

You should get one! They are nice tanks.

Thats a great point! This is something I would have thought of after filling partially and started to plant aand would be lazy to move it by that point. I'll do something about that. Thanks for that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zodduska (Post 4525665)
It might also be worth mentioning that the rock on the left front, if placed with a large flat side facing up near the tank center has a good chance of growing algae unless moss or similar covers the surface, at least its what I've noticed in my tank.

I'm still thinking of what I want it to look like planted, so I'll have to see if I'm going to add moss or not. If not I'll change the orientation of the rock.

Psiorian 10-24-2013 04:34 AM

Psiorian's 60F
 
So I moved some rocks around added a black background, and moved the barriers and I got this.

(Phone pictures but I was lazy to use the better camera.)

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/24/evezypyh.jpg

I had to change the right side a bit to balance the left side this is what it looks like now.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/24/evasada3.jpg

This is the left side. I feel better about it now.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/24/zarapusy.jpg

Top view.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/24/y3u4y5yv.jpg

It doesn't come to a point but the barriers are drooping so it appears it is.

What do you guys think now? Or did you like the old layout better?

Will even out the substrate once I find some sand. For some reason wherever I go is out or only has huge bags. Going to check a couple more places tomorrow.

White sand or light tan sand? Will pure white look too unnatural?

Brian_Cali77 10-24-2013 04:55 AM

I'd go with the tan sand for a more natural look.

Maybe the stone in the front right should be pushed back some so that you'd have more open space for a foreground carpet. Just a suggestion. otherwise, I think everything looks fine.

Psiorian 10-24-2013 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_Cali77 (Post 4535785)
I'd go with the tan sand for a more natural look.

Maybe the stone in the front right should be pushed back some so that you'd have more open space for a foreground carpet. Just a suggestion. otherwise, I think everything looks fine.

Thanks, I'll move the stone back. I was hoping you'd respond cause I know you have white and tan :)

Psiorian 10-25-2013 12:14 AM

I have a Eheim Ecco 2234 filter sitting around, do you guys think that would be too much flow for this tank? 145gph is what its rated at, I'm guessing thats empty as I've heard people say these eccos have low flow.

I know people like to oversize their filters, how to know if its too much besides substrate flying everywhere.

I'll have some sort of lily pipes (not purchased yet), would I need to restrict the outflow with the valves? Maybe buy spin lily pipes?


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