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Soothing Shrimp 09-12-2013 12:32 AM

BBRR Club
 
This club is for shrimpers who are interested in embarking on a journey to create Blue Body Red Rili shrimp.

http://u.jimdo.com/www49/o/sbb2cc06a...hael-nadal.jpg


The image above is from Michael Nadal, and is an incredible BBRR.

The term BBRR will be used because Blue Rili is now synonymous with an all blue shrimp. This is to avoid confusion when talking shrimp- especially necessary in this type of club. :icon_cool

I will keep the master list here in the first post and will add members here as they join. To join, just make a post saying you would like to join. :thumbsup:

Member have the right to post in their sigs: BBRR Club!
Member numbers may also be included if so desired.

Member numbers:

1 Soothing Shrimp
2 Duck5003
3 OblongShrimp
4 Randyl
5 Water-Kitties
6 Finalplay10
7 Mosspearl
8 Olive
9 Kehy
10 jmhk
11 Shrimpo
12 PatriotP
13 Mr.reef
14 Msjinkzd
15 pleco808
16 Bud29
17 Yeswaitnosorry


Lets feel free to share ideas, updates, tips, and above all- just have fun! :bounce:

Soothing Shrimp 09-12-2013 06:29 PM

So far I've tried red rili x blue rili crosses by placing RR and BR in the same tank. I've wound up with red rilis with barely noticeable blue in the middle, blue rilis (no red), red rilis, and the occasional cherry. These have all interbred.

I've separated out 5 or so that have at least some blue in the middle, and now have 1 berried. It will be interesting to see the shrimplets and see how I proceed from here.

Does anyone else have BBRR or RR yet? Is everyone in the planning stages?

I know some people are setting up tanks. :)

PatriotP 09-12-2013 07:37 PM

I would love those for my new tank :O I'm new to shrimp, 10g is in cycle right now, any good reads on how to work on getting these? Or is it out of a beginners grasp?

randyl 09-12-2013 10:07 PM

I will start with my dream blue and do something silly to it. Will update what happens ;-)

Soothing Shrimp 09-13-2013 12:00 AM

Going to cross RR x Dream?

Soothing Shrimp 09-13-2013 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotP (Post 4273897)
I would love those for my new tank :O I'm new to shrimp, 10g is in cycle right now, any good reads on how to work on getting these? Or is it out of a beginners grasp?

Not out of any beginner grasp. Basically the trick is to have red shell parts on a blue tissue body. In my experience the blue tissue gene tends to reduce or eliminate the red. Thus the trick to try to stabilize it. :)

That's what this club is for. Trying new ideas, theories, etc to create a BBRR. No real recipe for it yet, so anybody can join our club and have a crack at it with their own shrimp. :icon_cool

PatriotP 09-13-2013 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soothing Shrimp (Post 4275505)
Not out of any beginner grasp. Basically the trick is to have red shell parts on a blue tissue body. In my experience the blue tissue gene tends to reduce or eliminate the red. Thus the trick to try to stabilize it. :)

That's what this club is for. Trying new ideas, theories, etc to create a BBRR. No real recipe for it yet, so anybody can join our club and have a crack at it with their own shrimp. :icon_cool

That sounds awesome, Hopefully my tank will be ready in a couple more weeks, i have plants planted just waiting on some driftwood in the mail now then for the cycle to finish! May have to start of with some Red Rilis and get them settled in then start introducing some blues sounds like a fun project! Will be back when its time to get some shrimp! :icon_cool

mosspearl 09-13-2013 04:42 AM

I'm subscribed! :) So, what do we do to start? Since I'm new to shrimp altogether, I admit I have a lot to learn. If I understand it correctly, rilis can occasionally pop up out of BVs? Of course, if I wait for that to happen, it may take quite a while.

How do you suggest I begin, Soothing? I suppose I could start with a couple RR and a couple BR, then add some of my BV once they breed.

I do have some well-established planted jars I could use or I could possibly move my betta to the 10g, provided he doesn't try to eat the guppies.

I'd be happy to trade *lots* of plants for breeding stock if anyone is interested, or I'll just wait until my budget is a little flush again to stock up.

Soothing Shrimp 09-13-2013 01:27 PM

RR rarely pop out of BV, but *can* pop out of BR.

Blue Rili have been bred to reduce/eliminate the red.

BV have a mutation that causes the red to fade away- usually around juvie age. You would be surprised how many sellers don't even know that. In fact, because the final coloration looks very much the same, people often assume they are, when in fact they have different genetics.

Now, having said that, you do see the occasional BVR (Blue Velvet Red). That's usually less than 1%. The red lasts until adulthood, but even then the BV mutation can still make it fade away given time.

This is why I personally chose not to use BV in the creation of BBRR. My own theory is while the first generation would probably not have the red fade (because the mutation is now split), by the 2nd generation and beyond the possibility of the mutation showing up again would be very frustrating. Just imagine you finally have nice BBRR and your stock randomly loses the red, while some keep it. It would take years to try to breed that out, and even then you may not be successful. (?)

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However I suggest that people try their own theories about what they believe is best, and let us know your trials, and results. Both good and bad. IN this way, we can continue to learn more. :)

Right now Rachel (MsJinkzd) has a sale on RR for $2 each. She's a member of TPT, has an excellent reputation and it's a good price.

I over sold on my mixed rilis and am now waiting for my colony to build up again. Perhaps by November.

Aquabid also has RR for sale. I personally stay away from those ads that say BR/BV as to me it is evidence that a seller doesn't know the difference...but then again, there are some that swear up and down there is no difference- so make up your own mind.

Duck5003 09-13-2013 04:56 PM

I'm in the process of setting up my new shrimp/fish room, so once that is done i will have room for a lot more tanks.

At this time, the only RR i have are ones i have been working on crossing PFR's with Snowballs. I am two generations in and so far what i want to happen, is going well (knocks on wood). So i dont want to use these guys.

Now i do have DBV, some with some nice dark tissue. Until i get my hands on some RR, what i'm going to do is throw two of my nicer, mature DBV females in my PFR tank. Once they berry, seperate them and we'll see what happens with the first generation, if anything. Really just something to try while i gather more shrimp and tanks :D

This is not the approach i would prefer, with red typically fading out in the BV line but i'll be interested to see what happens with it for now. The only reason is, when crossing snowball and PFR I have gotten some really cool shrimp so far, so i'm hoping for the same type of effect with DBV and PFR.

Thanks for setting all this up Bryce! I'm really looking forward to what we can all come up with. Happy shrimping!

mosspearl 09-13-2013 05:00 PM

Thanks for the explanation! Shrimp genetics are all new to me, but I'm here to learn. :)

I'm patient, so I'll wait until I've got some extra bucks and either pick some up from Rachel or you when the time is right (unless someone else wants to trade for plants... otherwise I'll be setting up an RAOK soon...I'm seriously getting overrun). Don't think I want to chance on AB.

Sounds like it may be best to leave my BV out of the equation. :)

PatriotP 09-13-2013 07:21 PM

I think ill start with some red rilis get them going then introduce others, has anyone tried introducing carbon rilis? I kno they have some black but blue as well!

Soothing Shrimp 09-13-2013 07:38 PM

I was playing around with the same idea, P. The unknown factor for me is if the rili gene is located at the same loci. If not, then wilds are thrown.

If so, then the question becomes if there is a single dominant color gene or multiples.

mosspearl 09-13-2013 07:50 PM

Shrimp make rabbits seem easy. All we had to deal with were agouti vs self genes (basically 4 variations of each), and if they were complicated by spots, Dutch, harlequin or hidden by white. This is going to be fun. :)

Soothing Shrimp 09-13-2013 08:51 PM

Great to have your knowledge of rabbit genetics brought to the table! I have experience with mice and rat genetics myself, but with shrimp I'm lost! LOL :)


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