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Sharpchick 04-18-2013 02:48 PM

60 gallon bog filter build
 
I have a 275 gallon galvanized stock tank that I've used for the last 5 years as a water feature. This past winter, I decided I wanted to convert it into a small goldfish pond and build a bog filter for it.

Recommendations for the size of a bog filter run from 10 to 20% of the total capacity of the pond, so I bought this which can be used as a pond. The bin comes pre-drilled with a hole on the short side toward the top, which I cannot imagine a use for. Fortunately, they also send you a plug for it.

Since my tank is 2 feet deep, the bin sits on two courses of concrete block set on 2 inch thick pavers to elevate it high enough for outflow to the tank.

I used 1/2 inch PVC to make a rack to hold my filter media out of the yucky water in the bottom of the bog. We used 4 side outlet elbows and six Ts.

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(The blue handled tool at far right is a pair of PVC cutters, and my son highly recommends that you use them.)

He drilled two holes where we wanted them - one for the dump valve on the back, and the other for outflow to the pond. We used 1 inch PVC to make the plumbing for the inflow, and attached 90 degree elbows to the ends, so the water would be forced to circulate toward the corners of the bin.

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Since the tubing coming from the pump is 1/2 inch tubing and we are using 1 inch PVC, I needed a reducer to attach the tubing to.

A funny thing happens to me - and I suspect a lot of other women - when we start wandering around a plumbing department in a hardware or big box store. The guy running the department can't believe we really know what we want, and why.

He listened and after I practically diagrammed out my plan, he started digging around in bins, talking to me as he was bringing me fitting after fitting. While he was chattering, I got down on my knees and found a single fitting I thought would replace his 5 or 6, as long as I capped it on the end.

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In this shot, you can also see what I call the dump valve, which I'll use to flush the gunk out of the bottom of the bog filter. We used 1 inch PVC with a 1 inch ball valve, to install in the hole drilled on the back of the bin.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69...build/4pvc.jpg

The ball valve and the end cap on the reducer are the only two plumbing assemblies that are glued. All winter long, I've haunted pond forums, and one thing I read over and over is how people wished they had not glued all their PVC fittings to the pipe. It seems that no matter how well conceived the design, something always needs to be taken apart - even if it's just to clear a clog.

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Uniseals have to be some of the neatest inventions since sliced bread.
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They weren't nearly as hard to install as what I had read, but I do recommend using some silicone pipe lube to get the PVC through the seal. The seals are rubber and I did not, as the plumbing guy at Lowes suggested, use WD40 to lubricate them. He's not the one who will have a hellacious mess and a bunch of dead fish on his hands when the seals fail due to deterioration from using a petroleum based product...

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For my base filter media, I used the coarsest grade of Matala.

One sheet of it fit nicely in the bin, after cutting about an inch and a half off of it, and slitting an X in the middle for the intake pipe from the pump.

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We then attached our 1 inch intake pipe to the pipe running down to our swirlers using one T.

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Then it was time for the coarse river rock. I did not want to put the pea gravel directly on top of the Matala, because it was small enough to clog the holes in the Matala. We put the pea gravel on top of the river rock.

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I bought which comes with a plastic pre-filter basket. I bought an extra pre-filter basket in case of problems down the line.

The 1/2 inch tubing connects to the reducer. We installed a 1 1/2 inch outflow pipe from the bog back into the tank. We used some of that inch and a half of extra matala to stuff into the outflow pipe to catch extra trash. I can use an extra 1 1/2 elbow (in the photo below) to control the depth of the water in the bog before it dumps into the tank, if needed. Since it's not glued, I can take it off if I want to.

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We backwashed our river rock and gravel through the dump valve for about an hour. Even then, we had some cloudiness in the tank, but all the plumbing works.

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I turned the pump off to see if the cloudiness (which is dirt and dust from the rocks) settled without any additional flushing. There was some improvement, but I still wound up flushing the bog filter some more the next morning.

Pond and bog plants were ordered, and I asked for delivery the week of 4/22. The college kids pulling and packing orders ignored that, so my plants will be delivered today in the middle of a major storm, and looking at two nights of lows in the mid to upper 30s. Picture me, unhappily surrounded by various buckets of bare root bog and pond plants in my kitchen.

After I plant, I'll post more pics. I'll wait a week before the first two fish go in.

micheljq 04-18-2013 05:40 PM

Very interesting, i want one in my courtyard, keep the pics coming.

Thank you, Michel.

Sharpchick 04-18-2013 10:27 PM

Fedex got here today before the storm. I talked to the guy at my LFS yesterday when I bought sweet flag (Acorus gramineus 'Ogon') from him, and he told me to go ahead and plant when the plants were delivered. He pointed out that I had ordered mostly hardy plants, and his had overwintered in place.

Since it wasn't raining when they got here, I'm taking the chance (we will have lows of about 38-40 degrees F tonight and tomorrow night).

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Plants in the bog:
Lousiana black gamecock iris
Arrow arum
Blue rush (juncus glaucus)
Corkscrew rush (juncus effusus spiralis)
Creeping jenny (lysimachia nummularia)
Sweet flag
Impatiens (annual in my planting zone, and may get kicked by the weather)

I'll probably add another corkscrew rush, because I am just loving the form of that plant.

Plants in the pond:
Anacharis, submerged
Cabomba, submerged
Hornwort, submerged
Duckeed, floating
Salvinia minima, floating

The photos were before the storm. Most of the duckweed was forced down and into the submerged plants, and I don't know how frost hardy it is, so I'm leaving it there for now. I expect to have to add to the floating plants after this spot of weather. I'll probably add some azolla, which I can get locally.

The bog flooded. I went out during some slack in the rain, and removed the matala from the outspout going from the bog into the pond, and that cured that.

So now, I wait out the weather...

Diana 04-19-2013 02:53 AM

Wonderful write up! Very clear, and great pictures!

You did the right thing in not gluing the PVC that is under little or no pressure. If it leaks, who cares? It is inside the filter!

Sharpchick 04-19-2013 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Diana (Post 3166113)
Wonderful write up! Very clear, and great pictures!

You did the right thing in not gluing the PVC that is under little or no pressure. If it leaks, who cares? It is inside the filter!

Thanks. I can't wait to see how everything fills in. I am also really curious to compare growth rates of the fish in the pond vs. in a tank.

Diana 04-20-2013 12:00 PM

Plants are a great filter for more than just the things we test for. I'll bet the fish do great as the plant filter gets up to speed.

Sharpchick 04-20-2013 12:13 PM

I planted the bog plants with the dirt around the roots intact. Until there is a sufficient fish bioload, the plants won't have the fish waste to use for nutrients.

After reading all winter about this, it's going to be exciting to see if I can create a fairly self-sustaining eco-system in this pond. Posting about it in two different places has had some interesting results, too. Ponders think it's a cool idea for a small, "contained" pond, and goldfish aquaria folks are full of all sorts of dire warnings.

The most interesting thing to me is that, with sufficient space, you could create a contained bog filter on a much smaller scale inside for a goldfish tank.

Shangrila 04-20-2013 12:55 PM

I can see why you are called SharpChick!!!! Very slick and well explained.

Lia 04-23-2013 06:50 PM

That came out great. I loved the laguna 60 gall water trough pic , I was thinking of ordering one but the hole part was no good for me.

Sharpchick 04-23-2013 06:57 PM

If you're talking about the pre-drilled hole, they send you a plug for it.

If you're talking about drilling your own holes, use saw bit attachments for your drill.

Or borrow someone else's...

Lia 04-23-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpchick (Post 3202489)
If you're talking about the pre-drilled hole, they send you a plug for it.

If you're talking about drilling your own holes, use saw bit attachments for your drill.

Or borrow someone else's...


Thanks I meant the predrilled hole as did not want that and would think the plug would leak so now looking at Tuff stuff brand.

Lia 04-23-2013 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpchick (Post 3176801)
I planted the bog plants with the dirt around the roots intact. Until there is a sufficient fish bioload, the plants won't have the fish waste to use for nutrients.

After reading all winter about this, it's going to be exciting to see if I can create a fairly self-sustaining eco-system in this pond. Posting about it in two different places has had some interesting results, too. Ponders think it's a cool idea for a small, "contained" pond, and goldfish aquaria folks are full of all sorts of dire warnings.

The most interesting thing to me is that, with sufficient space, you could create a contained bog filter on a much smaller scale inside for a goldfish tank.


What warnings do the goldfish people give?

Imagine the heat.

Sharpchick 04-23-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lia (Post 3202521)
Thanks I meant the predrilled hole as did not want that and would think the plug would leak so now looking at Tuff stuff brand.

The hole is toward the top on the narrow end. Plug is holding well so far. We put it in the wall from the inside of the container.

Sharpchick 04-23-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lia (Post 3202537)
What warnings do the goldfish people give?

Imagine the heat.

Yes, the heat. And the cold. And what if they breed? And what about aquarium salt, hmmm? (I don't use aquarium salt for any of my fish.)

Ponds are for koi. A galvanized tank will rust. You have to have a power filter - a bog filter isn't sufficient. What about predators? What will you feed?

Plant fertilizers for outdoor plants will be bad for the fish. (They don't get the notion of the self-sustaining eco-system...fish poo equals good plants, good plants equal nicely filtered water.)

And on, and on, and on.

Lia 04-24-2013 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpchick (Post 3202673)
Yes, the heat. And the cold. And what if they breed? And what about aquarium salt, hmmm? (I don't use aquarium salt for any of my fish.)

Ponds are for koi. A galvanized tank will rust. You have to have a power filter - a bog filter isn't sufficient. What about predators? What will you feed?

Plant fertilizers for outdoor plants will be bad for the fish. (They don't get the notion of the self-sustaining eco-system...fish poo equals good plants, good plants equal nicely filtered water.)

And on, and on, and on.


Well as far as cold goes , plenty of people in NY keep Goldfish in ponds which have the top freeze for months.

The Miami fish farm here have Koi in a small pvc type pond as you enter and they sell plenty of goldfish in outside vats.

You could put some large pots or plant shrubs,etc directly around the tank so that the metal doesn't absorb sunrays, heat.

I would think that you will still need to do a water change now and than even with a bog filter ?


I imagine you have seen this site before and would think temps similiar to yours.

http://www.penick.net/digging/?p=3376


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