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Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 09:43 AM

New to live plants. Advice wanted.
 
I am new to the site as well as to live plants in my tanks. I was wondering if I could get some advice on what type plants I should get and how to keep them alive. Also where to buy said plants. I have looked at lots of plants. Here are a few I was thinking about. Fissidens spla, glossostigma elatinoides, and pellia. I have a 37 gallon freshwater tank, glass beads are what I have used for the gravel, I keep the temp at around 72 to 74 degrees, light is on 12 hours a day. I have a few goldfish right now. I intend to have live bearers mainly. I also will have a couple of plecos. Any advice as to were to purchase plants etc.. as well as advice on easy to keep plants for a beginner would be much appreciated. If you know a good place to buy fish that would be great too. Here in Tupelo, Ms. we only have a petsmart and I am not happy with the quality of fish or plants they have...not to mention the price for said items.:angel:

mnemenoi 03-06-2013 10:13 AM

Welcome and glad you found a great site. My recommendation is that goldfish can eat many plants, especially mosses and smaller types. Pellia and Fissidens both are easy to grow without any real need for a required substrate. Their only real need is a decent light for their tank. What sort of lighting/wattage do you have on there now? I would suggest something with a 6500K spectrum. With T5 fixtures a dual (2 bulb) will get you 1.29 watts per gallon, while a quad would achieve 2.59 watts per gallon. In the long run I imagine you would be happier with the quad as you'll be able to keep more in the future.

Indian fern 03-06-2013 10:57 AM

Goldfish will take plants as salad. I hate them! They keep on nibbling my plants before! Better go with tetras and livebearers

Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 10:59 AM

Umm
 
I just replaced the 2 55 gallon tanks I had with this one. The box was thrown away before I got a chance to see what wattage etc... the lights were. I know this is horrible. It is an LED hood if that helps in the least. As far as the goldfish go. I only got them to break the tank in. They will go in a smaller tank I have when I get the other fish. I am glad to have found this place as well.

Sharpchick 03-06-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hvnzfire (Post 2742762)
I just replaced the 2 55 gallon tanks I had with this one. The box was thrown away before I got a chance to see what wattage etc... the lights were. I know this is horrible. It is an LED hood if that helps in the least. As far as the goldfish go. I only got them to break the tank in. They will go in a smaller tank I have when I get the other fish. I am glad to have found this place as well.

You said "a few goldfish" in a 37, and that they will go in a smaller tank later?

How many is a few?

Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 11:28 AM

4 goldfish

Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 11:34 AM

This is the dimensions of my 37 gallon tank 30"W x 12"D x 22"H. The LED hood I have has 7 plastic pods with 3 LED lights in each one. From what I have read u need an average of 1 LED light for every 15-25 sq inch of tank you have. Is this correct?

mnemenoi 03-06-2013 11:35 AM

A fun livebearer to try out is Heterandia Formosa (dwarf livebearer) as it stays very small and can be very fun in a larger tank like that. It is a native, but can be found at a few places online for sale. Some of the Goodeids are also very cool and with most being endangered in the wild is something you can be proud of housing and are often sought after in the hobby. Try googleing Zoogoneticus tequila or Characadon Lateralis

mnemenoi 03-06-2013 11:37 AM

LED's are not my strong suit when it comes to lighting. Most are low light, though there are a few that can support plants, they usually run quite a bit of money so I imagine you would know if it was exteremely expensive.

Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 11:42 AM

They came with the kit. I just bought the whole Kit together and it was not too expensive. I tried looking up the kit I purchased but it says it comes with a 30in florescent light bar which it clearly does not, lol.

Those Goodeids are beautiful!

CrypticLifeStyle 03-06-2013 12:27 PM

To buy plants i'd say on here. I've bought all my plants on here from members.
It's amazing how easy it is, and how much is on here to be offered. Benefit is also being able to network with others on here. If you need advice, or anything they will prob. be there to help you after the purchase unlike a store.

Hvnzfire 03-06-2013 12:58 PM

Ty guys. I was hoping to buy on here. I am betting I will get much better quality plants etc.. for my money. Are there ay specific members that sell often? I would really like to purchase the 3 types I mentioned in this post. If you could direct me to the right person(s) I would be delighted.

CrypticLifeStyle 03-06-2013 01:39 PM

H4N :-?? or search the sale section with the search function. I always suggest looking at the price differences of the species wanted to get a good idea whats cheap, and whos charging a lot. Health can be a indicator too of price.

Sajacobs 03-06-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hvnzfire (Post 2742826)
4 goldfish

I hope you will return your goldfish. 4 goldfish will need 50 gallons of water. I have 4 goldfish in 50 gallons and nitrates rise in 4 days. I'm doing a 50% water change every 4 days. Smaller tank will require more frequent water changes and stunt goldfish growth resulting in early death. Goldfish are little in the beginning but grow quickly. My 1 inch telescopic in 6 months has grown to 6 inches with tail.

Search jasmines goldfish tank journal. She has a great thread about goldfish and planted tank.

My experience with my goldfish....swords, annibus, and tiger Lilly go untouched. Crypts are a bit hit and miss. Wisteria, duckweed and water lettuce are destroyed and eaten.

bluegoldfish 03-06-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hvnzfire (Post 2742618)
Here are a few I was thinking about. Fissidens spla, glossostigma elatinoides, and pellia.

Glossostigma - sold as "glosso" most of the time - needs quite alot of light. It is unlikely that a stock fixture will provide what it needs. Carpeting plants can be quite frustrating for beginners.

For (almost!) guaranteed success, try something like java fern, which you tie to a rock or piece of driftwood - don't bury the rhizome.

You can also try something like guppy grass (najas guadalupensis) which offers great cover for livebearer fry and it will live in low light to high light in any kind of condition.

Any variety of anubias should do well for you also. Same as java fern - don't bury the rhizome and consider tying it to a rock or driftwood.

I don't mean to sway you from what you have picked out - just wanted to offer you some alternatives that will allow you to have some success right from the start. Good luck!


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