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UGA_Grad_Student 02-27-2013 07:53 PM

Breeding Angels (Blues)
 
As I know, there is many different articles and threads about breeding angelfish. I have read a fair amount of them. They all seem to have different techniques and parameters needed which is understandable. My main question really is from peoples experiences, what is the main thing to focus on (diet, temp, water changes, slate/ceramics/plants, etc)?

I am new to breeding but would really like to give it a go. The angles I have had for just under a year laid eggs for the first time ever on Valentines Day (coincidence?). I am trying to give my Angels the best chance to feel comfortable and happy in their environments. I moved one pair to their own tank (20XH). The remaining 5 live in my 50 gallon. I have had an additional 10 gallon tank set up for hatching eggs without parents if I can get a pair in my 50 to start laying. Any thoughts or direction to articles I may not have read would be great.

Its been a while since I have been on here and excited to get back into it with a new challenge and goal. It helps that the owner of the LFS is really excited aka $$$ that I am trying to get into breeding angels.

Thanks for the help!

msawdey 02-27-2013 08:32 PM

I have bred blues also..... There is not just ONE thing to focus on. Its all about balance and keeping up with it.

Here is what i did.
Food: blood worms and New Spectrum pellets. Fed once a day, alternating food on days.
Temp: 70degrees F
Slate Plate
Single large plant like Sword in pott
One pair per tank at least 20 gallons
Good water Aeration
Water changes every 4-5 days with a GOOD water conditioner... not the cheap stuff.
I have bred in hard water above ph7.8, but it is easier to breed in water less than that.
Use a sponge filter like what is found on the angels plus site

The best article i have ever found regarding this is on angelsplus
http://www.angelsplus.com/ArticleBreeding.htm

UGA_Grad_Student 02-28-2013 12:36 PM

Ya bred them in 70degree water? Burr that sounds chilly. Anyone else have any suggestions. Doesn't have to be blues just any type of Angels.

wkndracer 02-28-2013 02:16 PM

Always overrun with fry here it seems.
3-5dGH, 2dKH water @ 79-82F
Live or frozen foods and the potential for problems I don't use them.
I do have RCS here in 3-10g tanks and dump shrimp in tanks to 'push' a pair from time to time.
Hunting angelfish are happy angelfish.

Angels Plus food products and Ed's stuff.
http://www.angelsplus.com/
http://www.almostnaturaltropicalfishfood.com/

Haven't purchased foods anywhere else in years now. Other than those two it's in house hatched BBS, RCS, guppy fry or mulch raised earthworms.

LB79 02-28-2013 04:00 PM

Yeah, a good diet, quality food (they LOVE live fish like baby guppies), and clean water is all if takes. I found that they're more likely to raise their fry in a planted tank than a bare one, but if you plan to raise the fry as fast as possible, I'd definitely recommend the bare tank over the planted one. Easier to keep clean.

The cooler water simulates the flood season in South America, stimulating courtship and spawning in many fish other than just cichlids. I'd raise the fry in 85˚F water, however, becasue the warmer the water, the higher the metabolism, and the more you feed, the faster they'll grow.

UGA_Grad_Student 02-28-2013 05:33 PM

I have been thinking about throwing in some of my baby guppies I have in my tank, but my only fear is if the Angels don't eat them...they will over run my tanks. Never feed live food to any of my fish, but this is always an option since I have a 10 gallon guppy tank upstairs (soon to become GBR love nest....hopefully)

xaqdaddy 02-28-2013 08:06 PM

I'm sure there are many people here that parent-raise, and there are alot of good reasons why you should do that, but if I really wanted to grow out a hatch, I would pull the eggs and artificially incubate. There are many articles out there that can explain it better than I can.

If you have gotten them to spawn once, they will do it again. Just keep them well fed and in clean water. I always had luck at warmer temps when I had angels, but I won't counter what anyone else is doing.

Once you get a successful hatch, you have to be ready with Baby brine shrimp and water changes, water changes. For at the least the first 30 days post free-swimming, I would try to feed BBS two to three times a day, with a water change after each. Be very careful with matching your water parameters on changes.

If you dont get a successful hatch, dont worry about it for the first few times. New fathers make mistakes. If you dont get a successful hatch after that, try to catch them with their tubes down. Females have a cylindrical ovipositor, males's tubes are more conical. You can have two females that look like a pair, but obviously, you will get no fertilization going on.

Check out angelfish.net for more info/questions on breeding. Good Luck!

msawdey 02-28-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msawdey (Post 2669314)
I have bred blues also..... There is not just ONE thing to focus on. Its all about balance and keeping up with it.

Here is what i did.
Food: blood worms and New Spectrum pellets. Fed once a day, alternating food on days.
Temp: 70degrees F
Slate Plate
Single large plant like Sword in pott
One pair per tank at least 20 gallons
Good water Aeration
Water changes every 4-5 days with a GOOD water conditioner... not the cheap stuff.
I have bred in hard water above ph7.8, but it is easier to breed in water less than that.
Use a sponge filter like what is found on the angels plus site

The best article i have ever found regarding this is on angelsplus
http://www.angelsplus.com/ArticleBreeding.htm

78!!!!!! not 70... typo

UGA_Grad_Student 03-01-2013 05:22 PM

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msawdey, I thought 70 seemed a little chilly. For anyone who cares, the day after I moved my one pair to their own 20XH tank, they laid eggs! I would say maybe a little under 100, and only 2 weren't fertilized. So far on day two they have yet to eat the eggs, which I take as a good sign.

If they manage to hatch...is there any point I should move the little ones to the 10 gallon I have set up for breeding or just let the parents raise em up?? I would personally like to keep this tank for parent raised angels if thats even possible....thoughts?

O yea here is a pic of the eggs

msawdey 03-01-2013 06:09 PM

let the parents raise... there is literally nothing cooler in fish keeping than seeing angelfish raise their fry. They are attentive, caring, and protective. You will develop a new found love for them

UGA_Grad_Student 03-01-2013 06:21 PM

Should I remove this bunch of eggs to try artificial and then let the parents raise the second group? Or at least give this group a chance? Also if I parent raise, will the parents lay eggs again in a week or two with the juveniles swimming around?

msawdey 03-01-2013 06:40 PM

give them a chance.. its a learning experience for you as well as them... It took my last pair about 3 or 4 tries to get it right

wkndracer 03-01-2013 08:29 PM

4 Kuhli Loaches, 4 Otto, 2 S&P Cory were in with the pair thoughout the spawn and growout.

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC_0019-1.jpg

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC_0015-2.jpg

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/a...d/Untitled.jpg
TAFF II monthly photo contests. June 2012 was Blacks.

Once you've lived through parent raising nothing is better (imo)

msawdey 03-01-2013 10:05 PM

I love it

msawdey 03-01-2013 10:09 PM

how did you manage to feed the fry racer?


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