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Cinbos 01-29-2013 07:47 PM

Dosing routine for my low tech setup
 
I need some suggestions for dosing dry ferts for my low tech setup. I dosed dry ferts using the EI method, but quickly realized that algae absolutly loved the excess amount of nutrients left over that my plants didn't use. I was dosing dry ferts on Mon, Wed, and Fri, while dosing Trace Tues, Thurs, and Saturday, then doing a water change on Sunday.

What would you all suggest as a better routine?

Cinbos 01-29-2013 09:15 PM

Can someone shed some insight on this for me?

nilocg 01-29-2013 09:27 PM

Cutting the EI dosing in half or a third would be fine.

johndimo 01-30-2013 01:06 AM

Are you low tech meaning no CO2 and low light?

Is EI dosing even required for low tech tanks? I figured that fish food would be enough. Maybe just small dosing of trace minerals and maybe some potassium and that's it?

I would think that fish would provide enough nutrients to cover the phosphate and nitrogen requirements.

Cinbos 01-30-2013 01:08 AM

Dosing routine for my low tech setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johndimo (Post 2392538)
Are you low tech meaning no CO2 and low light?

Is EI dosing even required for low tech tanks? I figured that fish food would be enough. Maybe just small dosing of trace minerals and maybe some potassium and that's it?

Yes completely low tech woth all low light plants. Amazon swords, java moss, anubias, chain swords, and petite nana

johndimo 01-30-2013 02:42 AM

How much and what were you dosing before?

Try dosing only potassium and trace. Once or twice a week. Prolly need to cut down the amount as well.

No need for the other stuff if you have good fish load. The fish will supply almost everything you need.

Cinbos 01-30-2013 03:03 AM

Dosing routine for my low tech setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johndimo (Post 2393490)
How much and what were you dosing before?

Try dosing only potassium and trace. Once or twice a week. Prolly need to cut down the amount as well.

No need for the other stuff if you have good fish load. The fish will supply almost everything you need.

This is what I was dosing for the past month and some change. I have cut it back to 2 days each now.

Mon,Wed,Fri:
K2SO4 1/8 tsp
KNO3 1/2 tsp
KH2PO4 1/8 tsp

Tues,Thurs,Sat:
CSM+B 1/8 tsp

Sun:
Water Changes

As far as fish load, many of my fish are juveniles and/or small and do not create that much bio load. Also I try my hardest to not over feed. Rarely any food left over on the tanks floor.

Yankee 01-30-2013 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinbos (Post 2393714)
This is what I was dosing for the past month and some change. I have cut it back to 2 days each now.

Mon,Wed,Fri:
K2SO4 1/8 tsp
KNO3 1/2 tsp
KH2PO4 1/8 tsp

Tues,Thurs,Sat:
CSM+B 1/8 tsp

Sun:
Water Changes

As far as fish load, many of my fish are juveniles and/or small and do not create that much bio load. Also I try my hardest to not over feed. Rarely any food left over on the tanks floor.

For low tech tanks I've found that I only need to dose 1/3 of the nutrients 1 time per week. So instead of doing your whole routine 3xs weekly just do one dose of macros after a water change and do 1 dose of micros the next day and call it good. Test your nitrates at the end of the week to determine whether or not your plants are utilizing most of the N during the week. If you are having algae and your nitrates are high at the end of the week, cut the dosing more. If you have no algae and 0 nitrates (or very low) feel free to dose another day's worth the next week.

Cinbos 01-30-2013 03:50 AM

Dosing routine for my low tech setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yankee (Post 2394130)
For low tech tanks I've found that I only need to dose 1/3 of the nutrients 1 time per week. So instead of doing your whole routine 3xs weekly just do one dose of macros after a water change and do 1 dose of micros the next day and call it good. Test your nitrates at the end of the week to determine whether or not your plants are utilizing most of the N during the week. If you are having algae and your nitrates are high at the end of the week, cut the dosing more. If you have no algae and 0 nitrates (or very low) feel free to dose another day's worth the next week.

Appreciate the insight, forgot to test the nitrates lol.

Cinbos 02-01-2013 07:15 PM

Ok so I have figured out my routine, and have started it. I particular have soft water where I live, so I have to add specific nutrients to harden the water.

Mon:
Seachem Equilibrium

Tues:
K2SO4 1/8 tsp
KNO3 1/2 tsp
KH2PO4 1/8 tsp

Wed:
CSM+B 1/8 tsp

Thurs:
Seachem Flourish

Sun:
Water Changes

I also have Seachem Root Tabs for all heavy root feeder, such as Swords and Crypts.

What do you all think?

jonnyboy 06-25-2013 03:39 AM

What kind of lights do you have? Or what's your PAR if you know? I'm just looking for insight. I just started dosing KNO3 in my tank, so I'm experimenting with that. I have medium light, and some algae problems that sparked from my lights being too strong. If this is working for you than hopefully I will be able to switch to dry ferts soon!

dzega 06-25-2013 06:43 AM

"fish load will fert low tech tank" - this widespread statement got me so much headache when i was beginning in the hobby. not to mention it is absolute crap. you need to test for at least nitrates and phosphates to verify if you need to increase or decrease fertilizing.
also good idea is to verify your test kit by making reference solution out of dry ferts and testing if kit responds correctly.

PS. i run no co2 low light tank and if i dont fert at all i will reach zero nitrates in 2 weeks. zero phosphates even sooner

plantbrain 06-25-2013 05:24 PM

I'd run a non CO2 tank at about 1/10th EI.
Excel additions? Then about 1/4th.

Pretty simple. Very effective.

But many do not have patience for low tech.

jonnyboy 06-26-2013 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plantbrain (Post 3676457)
I'd run a non CO2 tank at about 1/10th EI.
Excel additions? Then about 1/4th.

Pretty simple. Very effective.

But many do not have patience for low tech.

It's been working for me so far....but any harm in Co2 if I'm getting a steady 1/2bbs from my DIY? For a couple months I was struggling with the plants looking unhealthy, including their new growth which is why I got into dosing all kinds of ferts.


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