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nvladik 01-10-2013 04:31 PM

DYI Stand Builders
 
Interesting read: http://richinscarpentry.com/blog/201...uarium-stands/

Ran into the same problem myself. No matter much time I spend on picking up best 2x4's in the store, acclimating them at home to right temp/humidity, and carefully cutting to make square stock, they still bend and twist.

As soon as the weather gets better I will be re-building the stand for my 125 and will be attempting this method.

scapegoat 01-10-2013 05:50 PM

we're renovating our basement. picked up 2x3's to lower the point of contact on the ceiling for drywall. they were straight when we brought them home, next morning... warped and twisted.

construction lumber is very wet, in terms of lumber. some of it will even leave a moist feeling on your skin while moving it. It's just a fact that that stuff bends and warps as it dries.

but, so many folks have used it, and their tanks are still standing and still level.

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 06:29 PM

Are you guys using treated lumber?
Even here in FL I haven't had the problems you're having.
I've got 2 x 3's sitting in my garage right now and sure they've bowed a but but not so bad I can't use them. Or anyone except me would ever notice. The 2 x 3's I used on my racks are in a moist area (my fishroom) and are still fine.

There is a better way than what he's doing. And plywood will warp. Try using a tongue and dado joint. It interlocks the parts and it's square. Always.


For a "professional" carpenter why was he using 2 x 4 construction anyway? And what appear to be drywall screws? Way over driven. What kind of connection is there between the legs and the top frame? Can't tell from the photos.

watercage 01-10-2013 06:33 PM

I have my 40B on a 2x4 stand.

I had to scour the pile at home depot to find the best, straightest 2x4s, but it wasnt hard.

My tank is still standing, lol.

scapegoat 01-10-2013 06:33 PM

no. but 2x3's kinda suck for straight work. the 2x4's that are piled down there waiting to be made into walls are holding up just fine though.

I wouldn't be concerned with a 2x4 for framing out a fish tank stand since most people well over build them.

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 06:44 PM

Scapegoat, what do you mean you are trying to "lower the point of contact" for your drywall?

scapegoat 01-10-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GraphicGr8s (Post 2203562)
Scapegoat, what do you mean you are trying to "lower the point of contact" for your drywall?

completely off topic for this forum. but! we're putting a drywall ceiling in our basement. We screwed 2x3's to the floor joists so we could clear some piping for our baseboard heat. I also routed some channels for existing wiring which we'll also toss on some steel plates so we cant screw through it.

much easier than cutting and moving pipe and drilling through the joists.

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scapegoat (Post 2203650)
completely off topic for this forum. but! we're putting a drywall ceiling in our basement. We screwed 2x3's to the floor joists so we could clear some piping for our baseboard heat. I also routed some channels for existing wiring which we'll also toss on some steel plates so we cant screw through it.

much easier than cutting and moving pipe and drilling through the joists.

You ever see a thread that really stayed on topic?

As for wood. One thing you all seem to forget is you're never using a full 8' piece of wood. Even though you may have a warp, cup, bow or twist (or a combination of some or all) over the entire piece when it's broken down that will be minimized to a great extent. How many of you builders even bother to crown your studs? You're all looking for straight pieces but every stud has a crown to it.

nvladik 01-10-2013 07:14 PM

My current stand is made of 2x4's also... and it is good enough. Personally not a fan of curved angles for the exposed parts, and when I tried to square off 2x4's the bowed a lot. Still learning here... new to woodwork and thought the idea is pretty cool, although it's more work.

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nvladik (Post 2203922)
My current stand is made of 2x4's also... and it is good enough. Personally not a fan of curved angles for the exposed parts, and when I tried to square off 2x4's the bowed a lot. Still learning here... new to woodwork and thought the idea is pretty cool, although it's more work.

If you're new to wood then stick with tried and true methods. Better to over build. I am into woodworking and I don't think I'd ever use 2 x in a fish stand cabinet. All 3/4" plywood and 1 x material. And almost no screws. Use them more to clamp than structural. I use to be old school on the screws too. regular wood screws with a pilot, shank and countersink. Been using these new (to me) spax screws and liking them. Not brittle like DW screws and without the work of a conventional wood screw.

nvladik 01-10-2013 07:58 PM

Yeah I mainly use SPAX screws also and love them so far. You would still go with 3/4 ply and 1x material for 135G tank? That's a lot of weight, no?

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 08:12 PM

Without a doubt. Proper joinery, good glue ups. Good design. Structure supporting structure. By 1x I mean 1 x 4 not x2.

NWA-Planted 01-10-2013 08:20 PM

Thats surprising treated lumber is bowing that much!

That plywood design is similar to the stand my 125 came with. Always worried me though it was all furniture? Grade plywood (chip board stuff) but all the weight was actually supported on about a 1/4" lip all the way around the inside. It worked because vertical support went all the way around just did not care for the setup.

As to the above mentioned, if your not a regular wood worker or cabinetry person over build and sleep sound!

I am doing my next stand based off diyfishkeepers urajoey style listed on youtube very easy and is a very stout design!!

Sent from a dark corner in my happy place

GraphicGr8s 01-10-2013 08:27 PM

nvladik are you using PT or spruce?

HD Blazingwolf 01-10-2013 08:31 PM

my 75 gallon stand DIY currently being built is 6 2x4's its very simple and absolutely overbuilt. 4 2x4's could easily support more weight

straight is not an issue if its being covered. we hand selected the wood, and immediately drilled, cut, screwed and covered. 6 days later its still straight and level and I AM NOT a woodworker


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