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pandamonium 12-20-2012 08:05 AM

Pandamonium's 12g Long - "Pride Rock" *UPDATE*
 
Updates: 4/4/13 - Rescaped a little and added a feeding tray (Post 26)

Updates: 2/25/13 - More Berried Shrimps and first Shrimplets! (Post 20)

Updates: 1/9/13 - Berried Tiger Shrimp! (Post 18)

Updates: 1/9/13 - Are these new shrimp blonde OEBT? (Post 17)

Updates: 1/5/13 - Nitrates have dropped :) (Post 16)

Updates: 1/1/13 - Happy New Year! More shrimp photos and INSANE nitrate spike? (Post 15)

Updates: 12/26/12 - Shrimps are in! (Post 11)

Updates: 12/21/12 - Scape, Plants, and Fish Addition (Post 10)

Updates: 12/20/12 - DIY Heater Build with Pictures: Part 1. (Post 9)


Parameters:

KH: 1
GH: 5
Ammonia: 0 ppm
Nitrite: 0 ppm
Nitrate: 10 ppm
pH: 6.8

Hey everyone,

So I decided to jump aboard the shrimp train after realizing that a month was too short to learn and make a pico-reef tank. That's gonna be another project, maybe this summer. But in the meantime, this shrimp tank can definitely happen haha :)

I'll try to keep this first post as recent as possible or at least add links to where each step of my build is.

Specs:

Size: 12 gallon long
Filter: 2 Small Sponge Filters, Eheim ECCO Pro 2232
Lighting: 3 x 13W 6500K CFL bulbs in a DIY Hood Housing
Substrate: Fluval Shrimp Stratum (Donated by Betta Maniac. Thanks so much for your generosity!)
Heater: Ebo Jager 75W with DIY Inline modification
Hardscape: Red Lava Rock, Manzanita
Stand: DIY Steel Stand

Just the tank
http://i.imgur.com/qHb3l.jpg

Custom Mesh Cover
http://i.imgur.com/tZ1tO.jpg?1

The stand
http://i.imgur.com/0JiJE.jpg

Tank with lighting over it
http://i.imgur.com/gAwhS.jpg

pandamonium 12-20-2012 08:05 AM

reserved for more pictures

Jonnywhoop 12-20-2012 08:24 AM

gonna be epic!!!

somewhatshocked 12-20-2012 01:51 PM

Sounds like this is going to be a nice build.

What are you going to do in order to support the corners of the tank?

bigd603 12-20-2012 04:53 PM

What is the purpose of the mesh?

pandamonium 12-20-2012 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonnywhoop (Post 2115125)
gonna be epic!!!

Thanks! I hope it will be :) It's gonna be a quick build but I have an idea in my head that can hopefully translate onto this tank!

Quote:

Originally Posted by somewhatshocked (Post 2115235)
Sounds like this is going to be a nice build.

What are you going to do in order to support the corners of the tank?

The pad that the tank sits on juts out just beyond the tank itself, maybe like 37'' long pad for a 35.4'' long tank. The photo I couldn't get to show that, but the entirety of the tank is sitting on the stand. Is that what you are talking about?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigd603 (Post 2115402)
What is the purpose of the mesh?

I figured I need a cover just in case any fish/shrimp decide to get jumping, and it came with the tank. I made a few modifications to it so it would sit better :) It also doubles as a way to keep my CFL hood suspended over the tank since the hood is just smaller than the inner length of the tank.

somewhatshocked 12-20-2012 09:44 PM

Yes - appears that the tank is merely seated on a piece of plywood with no supports beneath the plywood.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pandamonium (Post 2115532)
The pad that the tank sits on juts out just beyond the tank itself, maybe like 37'' long pad for a 35.4'' long tank. The photo I couldn't get to show that, but the entirety of the tank is sitting on the stand. Is that what you are talking about?


pandamonium 12-21-2012 02:36 AM

That is right. The supports extend out pretty far, within an inch of both sides but not all the way. The previous owner didn't experience problems with this setup but just to be safe, I am going to grab some more plywood or a metal sheet to reinforce the tank. I can't modify the stand since it is welded in unfortunately. Good call though, I will get to doing that before I fill the tank up

pandamonium 12-21-2012 02:41 AM

Next update: DIY heater building
 
So I bought the parts to build the DIY heater.

I used a rubber band, a smooth reducer (1.5 to 0.5 inches), and the 75W heater.
http://i.imgur.com/NVYgL.jpg

Next I put the rubber band underneath the lip of the temperature dial prior to siliconing.
http://i.imgur.com/1QDM9.jpg

Silicone was placed on the bottom of the heater, right at or above the water fill line.
http://i.imgur.com/Bc02A.jpg

I pushed the heater into the reducer and the rubber band gives a little space between the silicone and the temperature dial so that I can still turn it. I am gonna leave it overnight to dry and then I'll nick off the rubber band. This was exactly how the last build went but I tried to show this in more detail.
http://i.imgur.com/ezMJJ.jpg

Right now the silicone is curing. Once it's all done, I will put the housing together :)

pandamonium 12-22-2012 06:31 AM

So today I went on a crazy trip all over the Bay Area to pick up a filter, fish, and plants.

Got home and started scaping my tank like crazy. I had previously bought a sponge filter and have been using it in my old tank so I seeded it pretty good, which should help the transition of this new tank :) That as well as my old canister filter.

First I used my mom's expensive silicone spatula to lay down the Fluval Shrimp Stratum. Looks dark which I had not expected but I do like it. Next I cleaned the rock. I grabbed some lava rock for a hardscape. Figure that it was porous so it would help with biological filtration as well as allow me to place moss there in the future. In total, all the lava rock cost me a whopping....$1.54. Score.
http://i.imgur.com/6RHTF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MnuTY.jpg

Next was planting the plants. I used Eleocharis flavescens as well as what I think is chain sword, or something similar. From Speedie so thank you Speedie! :)

The whole idea of the scape was to have a Lion King almost feel with Pride Rock on the right and Scar's land on the left. So Pride Rock side is majestic and heavily planted while Scar's side is meager and very sparse. I tried to capture this using 2 different plants. The middle is barren, almost like a divide between the two. Not sure what to do there yet but any ideas would be awesome :)

Pride Rock
http://i.imgur.com/NKd5g.jpg

The Scar Lands
http://i.imgur.com/knwmb.jpg

Finally was the fish addition :) I used in this Vietnamese White Clouds, an homage to my culture but I figured I should have "clouds" in the sky above my scape.
http://i.imgur.com/2rN13.jpg

The FTS is hard to get cuz I am behind my Christmas tree at the moment but afterwards it should be good :)
http://i.imgur.com/znfaZ.jpg

pandamonium 12-28-2012 10:09 AM

So finally was able to get some shrimp in here. I originally had planned only for orange neos (kinda like lions of the savannah) but then I figured I could use tiger shrimps. Yes, I get that tigers and lions are never in the same place geologically but it looks pretty cool. Orange "lion" shrimp, striped tiger shrimp, and white clouds in the "sky".

Anyhow here are a bunch of pics I took of them shrimps today and 2 of fish :)

One of the orange neos perched on my lava rock. Kinda see through but hopefully he/she will color up soon :)
http://i.imgur.com/GWZME.jpg

Hanging out under the frogbit
http://i.imgur.com/Y4lb8.jpg

Tiger shrimp on the temporary HOB hanging out. Anyone know why it has orange eyes but is not blue?
http://i.imgur.com/CBed7.jpg

Neo on my moss tree
http://i.imgur.com/adF1A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TglS8.jpg

Tiger on my moss ball under the java moss I threw in temporarily
http://i.imgur.com/Sv8cS.jpg

Neos hanging out on the opposite rocks
http://i.imgur.com/UFLW3.jpg

Tiger on the rocks. Almost looks like its yellow at the ends.
http://i.imgur.com/6nMGq.jpg

somewhatshocked 12-28-2012 01:36 PM

I don't see anywhere that your tank cycled. That's a process that takes quite a while, even with a previously used filter.

It's not just for processing ammonia but for developing a nice environment for shrimp.

Are you monitoring parameters?

jarvitron 12-28-2012 04:02 PM

"Anyone know why it has orange eyes but isn't blue"

Good luck with your tank.

"Orange eye blue tiger" shrimp are just like Rili shrimp, a selectively intensified coloration that exists in wild populations. Orange eyes, black eyes, blue bodies, clear bodies, blue stripes, black stripes, brown stripes, red stripes, all exist (to greater or lesser intensity) in wild populations. When somebody is selling "OEBT" they're selling a line that (hopefully) has been selectively bred to create _mostly_ Orange Eye blue body tiger shrimp, but even the best lines will throw some wilder variance.

As far as everything else goes, I have the same concerns as above - There's no dates on the pictures but you seem to have thrown the tank together from parts in under a week, I hope you have put thought into the parameters of your water and the maturity of the tank, because in that small of a tank, and with shrimp, it all counts.

pandamonium 12-28-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by somewhatshocked (Post 2128537)
I don't see anywhere that your tank cycled. That's a process that takes quite a while, even with a previously used filter.

It's not just for processing ammonia but for developing a nice environment for shrimp.

Are you monitoring parameters?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarvitron (Post 2129561)
"Anyone know why it has orange eyes but isn't blue"

Good luck with your tank.

"Orange eye blue tiger" shrimp are just like Rili shrimp, a selectively intensified coloration that exists in wild populations. Orange eyes, black eyes, blue bodies, clear bodies, blue stripes, black stripes, brown stripes, red stripes, all exist (to greater or lesser intensity) in wild populations. When somebody is selling "OEBT" they're selling a line that (hopefully) has been selectively bred to create _mostly_ Orange Eye blue body tiger shrimp, but even the best lines will throw some wilder variance.

As far as everything else goes, I have the same concerns as above - There's no dates on the pictures but you seem to have thrown the tank together from parts in under a week, I hope you have put thought into the parameters of your water and the maturity of the tank, because in that small of a tank, and with shrimp, it all counts.

Yeah I have been monitoring parameters every day since I put it together. I had a bad case of new tank syndrome when I started a tank many years ago before I understood everything going on. Since then I have been very cautious about it. I haven't updated the parameters I list but as of today, they are 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, and nitrates on the rise. I used half of my canister filter media from my year and a half old 40 gallon tank and the Tetra Safe Start starter cultures to seed/develop the beneficial bacteria. I also have been doing water changes like crazy. Funny story here is that I tested the tap and it had 0.25 ppm ammonia after I used Prime so I thought I was putting ammonia straight into the tank and thus continued to do many water changes in a row. But it turns out the test cannot distinguish ammonia sequestered by Prime and free harmful ammonia (what I learned from another forum).

Either way it goes I have been treading carefully as I have read that shrimp do not do well (die) in ammonia or nitrite waters so I made sure that the environment was suitable before introducing them. The white clouds I introduced first as a test and so far (knock on wood) none of them have died or shown signs of stress. They are eating well and swimming about very vigorously. It could be because it's in their nature as well I guess, but the shrimps are doing well also. Eating and nibbling here and there. I took a sponge filter I had in another tank which was pretty much covered in biofilm and put it in this one for filtration and food too.

pandamonium 01-02-2013 02:33 AM

So finally switched filters on my tanks. Threw my Eheim ECCO pro 2232 on the 12 gallon long with a spraybar I salvaged from the SunSun 304B that I tacked onto my 40 gallon Amazon tank. Both tanks are doing well and I did a water change after filter transfer on both tanks.

Filled the Amazon tank filter with lava rock since it has a good surface area and for 4 dollars, I got maybe 10-15 pounds at HD. There may be other more porous options like pot scrubbers but I don't know where to find them for cheap haha :) Lava rock will definitely be fine.

I did water tests on my shrimp tank today and my nitrates apparently are between 80 and 160 ppm. I will be doing a water change very soon (aka when I finish my dinner). Ammonia and nitrite are solidly at 0 ppm. Any thoughts to why nitrate is so high? It's strange. I don't think there is that much decomposition. I dumped out the dirty water from the canister when I transferred it but did not wash the biological media so that I wouldn't kill any bacteria.

Photos!

http://i.imgur.com/eudKR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HGohJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0gwd2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aDj2g.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wk76N.jpg


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