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dustbust_1 12-12-2012 02:17 PM

whats a good cleaner inhabitant?
 
what is a good critter that will clean up that broken down plant waste?

I do a 20% water change every 2 weeks but I dont like terrorizing around with a hose sucking it all up

DogFish 12-12-2012 02:24 PM

Ramshorn snails

FlyingSheep 12-12-2012 03:43 PM

Ramshorn will do it. But I don't think I'll ever use those guys again. If your water changes negatively, they'll be everywhere and die all over everything you have. My last tank had a pile of dead bodies everywhere.

devilduck 12-12-2012 03:55 PM

I like Malaysian Trumpet Snails. They stay just under the substrate for the most part and I never see them, they are also nearly indestructible.

FlyingSheep 12-12-2012 03:58 PM

Oh wait, actually it was the trumpets that I had a problem with. Not the ramshorn. Got a little confused there. XD

Anyway, trumpets breed worse than rabbits. Or shrimp in our case. And as I mentioned, if your water isn't perfect for those guys, they'll let you know with dead bodies everywhere.

roadmaster 12-12-2012 04:48 PM

All that trumpet snail's need is water in my expierience to thrive.
Only thing I know that will kill em is excess copper or ammonia that would also kill fish,shrimp's.

Oxl 12-12-2012 07:10 PM

Trumpets are too hard to cull, ramshorn snails are much more controllable and make the tank nearly maintenance free.

dustbust_1 12-12-2012 07:36 PM

so maybe a mix of the 2 species would be ideal. I guess id like to try my hand at them both and see what I have the most success with. Everybody is different.

I have a 20g, how many of each would you try?

Greg-Brooklyn-NYC 12-12-2012 07:46 PM

Mix apple snails, ramshorn, and trumpet snails. Give them two weeks in the tank. Then add 10 assassin snails. You will have a pleasant variety and the assassins will keep them in check. Depending on tank size, parameters etc. quantity of all of the above needs adjustment. Or just let them explode and get a loach...

Trumpet snails are one of the hardiest/hardest to kill, at least in harder alkaline water. I have read that soft acidic doesn't allow for enough nutrients for snails to form hard shells which makes them more susceptible to whatever so my experience makes sense. Also, when I do 90% water changes with ice cold straight tap water they don't die, at all. When I purposely put wood or rocks into a bucket and do the same they all live. I tend to acclimate all of my aquatic tank inhabitants to accept more extreme conditions and they tend to be incredibly versatile and strong. Anyone who wants to argue it's cruel, wrong, whatever, save your breath anyone who has seen the results becomes a convert. I also feed much higher quality diy foods though so who knows how big a part that plays as well (along with prime water parameters except where they are intentionally altered.. breeding induction). Point is if you are managing to kill trumpets you need to read every aquarium book you can find because there is something seriously wrong and your fish etc. likely aren't as healthy or living as long as they could.

Diana 12-12-2012 07:57 PM

MTS have a harder shell than most snails and are more resistant to low calcium levels or acidic water. It is amazing what they look like in a tank with harder water.
Hard water: Long sharp point on the shell.
Soft water: That long sharp point erodes, leaving a hole. They seem to do OK, though.
The hard shell makes it difficult for many snail eating fish to eat them. Some of these fish learn to suck the snail meat out of the shell, so I do find empty shells all over, and not very many MTS in the tank if there are Loaches.

Ramshorn have a thinner shell and do not do as well in tanks with soft, acidic water. The shells get very thin.

Pond snails get eaten in all my tanks, but seem to do OK in soft, acidic water.

Apple snails will need a source of calcium, and are better in more alkaline water. They might eat cuttle bone.

dustbust_1 12-13-2012 05:17 PM

I Use RO/DI water and remineralize it with equilibrium. My house was built in 1907 and we get city water. I know they add fluoride and a bunch of other stuff to the water so I just play it safe with RO. Plus I Know that im starting with pure water. Takes water source out of the equation if i run into a problem.

I think im going to go to aquabid and get me some snails!


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