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laqu 10-17-2012 06:21 PM

okay your thoughts are needed on EVERYTHING
i just got a nano tank the aqua culture wave (16.75 x 11.2 x 10.88)
tank by laq997, on Flickr

i want to have
1 betta
shrimp, (ghost) how many???
snail (??) how many ???


okay... so
substrate, lighting, plant options...

most important will this tank work? it was $13 so i grabbed it but i can return it if i need a more traditional one.

FORREST3320 10-17-2012 06:49 PM

betta eat shrimp 1 snail or 2. I would take it back buy the 5.5 gallon kit or buy 10 gallon tank at petco. Any kit you buy you will be upgradeing everything just a matter of time. I found it best just to start with the good stuff first. You can even buy the cheaper hood for the 10 gallon put two cfl spirls in there, aqua clear filter, heater and you are g2g but If you want to stay small I would just buy a glass tank if you want to stay small get a 2.5 glass tank lots of options with those or you can use what you have just might run into some problems maybe some more people have some opions on to keep or not keep becuase that is the quenstion. As for everything els do some searching around all can be answered with good ol reading

Trickerie 10-17-2012 06:54 PM

Well, heres the deal. In the 2.5g, I wouldn't keep anything but shrimp. So, you could have 15-30 cherries or ghosts, whatever. The smallest I would keep a betta in is 5g. As for plants, you are limited to mosses and dwarf/petite species, even with a 5g. In my Spec, i have taiwan moss, crypt parva and anubias nana 'petite.' Substrate, you can really use anything you want, since you need so little. I used fluval plant stratum in my Spec. Lighting will be the issue. I doubt that those LED's are powerful enough to sustain plant life, therefore, you would be tossing the lid all together. You would want to get a small CFL (5000-10000 range), 8w or so, and a desk lamp standing behind it, pointing directly down (bulb vertical, not horizontal).

GeToChKn 10-17-2012 07:35 PM

Ya I wish people wouldn't advertise small tanks as betta tanks. Yes, they can live in 0.25gal of water the same way you can live in a closet. Are you going to be happy? Neither is the betta.

The notion comes from bettas in the wild being found in shallow water, therefore people think well if it comes from rice paddies 4" deep, it must be able to live in a small amount of water. What they don't take into account is the fact that it may be 4" deep but it is 1000 sq miles in length and width.

@marko@ 10-17-2012 07:37 PM

what trickerie recommends is the best option for light. now since that makes it open-top, a betta is not a good choice.
the issue with tanks under 5 gal, is that most heaters dont keep the temp stable (they can keep the average at what you set it to, but because the body of water is so small, the fluctuations away from that are large. thats the main reason i dont recommend tanks that size for bettas, its very stressful for them in particular, as the temp needs to be higher than for most fish species (78-82 for regular maintenance).

i would ditch the top, get an azoo palm filter (they have em on drsfosterandsmith) or similar small HOB, and make it a neocardina shrimp tank. cover the intake with a filter sponge to keep shrimplets from being sucked in.
red cherrys are pretty tough to kill. i had 3 who hitchhiked as shrimplets into a betta tank, grew up, survived over 6 months with the betta, 2 treatements of copper sulfate for a velvet issue, and one was a female and even berried up during that period. 2 were moved when i finally caught them, and 1 is still in there (saw him 2 weeks ago).

for a low-light small tank, i would go with flourite. maybe add a very thin layer of MTS underneath, or just put root tabs near root feeding plants (like cryptocoryne species).

some plants to consider are mosses, pelia, c. parva, c. wendti, l. sessiliflora, anubias petite, m pteporus varieties (in the background), m. minuta, and lileopsis sp (in the background).

laqu 10-17-2012 11:17 PM


i had picked this tank because it's so much longer then the other 2.5 gallon tanks and he is so happy in his 1 gal bowl (blowing bubble nests daily) that i want him to have more room to run.

he's pretty mellow so i may try a shrimp in with him, are cherries better then ghost (why she likes ghost is beyond me)
already planned on ditching the top, adding a filter, have a heater/light already with a plant in his bowl.

i do want to keep it really small as i like it on the dining room table (it's where i have my coffee and work during the day and he seems to be happy hanging out with me)

do i need anything under the tank?

just ordered the substrate, once it's here i'll get the plants (or maybe before so i can desnail them (the anachas came with a pond snail - ick)

any thoughts on type of snail (dear lord please don't let there be a 'ghost' snail)...
i love the cherry shrimps, so maybe i'll win that one.. but she had to settle on the betta .. hmm...

Trickerie 10-18-2012 03:05 AM

Well, the 2.5g will be better than the bowl, thats for sure. Personally, I still recommend the 5g, but if you must stick with the 2.5g, so be it. I use non-slip drawer liners under my tanks, just incase. As for snails, I'd only go for a mystery. They are fine with betta.

laqu 10-18-2012 03:37 PM

by the way where do you get a 5 gal... i only find 3 and 10!

jemminnifener 10-18-2012 04:29 PM

I know Aqueon minibows come in 5g. Also standard, glass tanks with rims come in 5g. I would recommend a standard rimmed tank. The customization options are larger than with a tank you would get in a kit.

I personally would recommend cherry shrimp or amano shrimp over ghost shrimp. Ghost shrimp are very active but with their protruding eyes, humped back, and long legs, they just gave me the willies. I liked it when they kept more out of sight. RCS are cute especially when they swim around in midwater. Haven't had amanos but may be a better choice with a betta since they are larger in size.

Whether you need something underneath the tank. That's your judgment call based on what material the tank is, what the bottom is like, what material the surface you're putting it on is, etc... I wouldn't worry about it unless it's glass on glass (glass tank with no rim on glass table).

Oh about snails. Nerites are pretty and come in lots of colors. But they are harder to find and more expensive. You may want to first test out the living-together thing with another snail that is easier to find/replace/don't care about as much.

@marko@ 10-18-2012 04:46 PM

all-glass and the other brand that look the same make standard 5 gals. also so a 5.5 gal a few times in the same style. bought that one.

cherries are easier to breed. youll have some live food for the betta to graze on that way. and the shrimplets he doesnt catch can be sold online or to your lfs for store credit. and the look nicer.

nerite snails work fine with bettas, too.

laqu 10-18-2012 04:57 PM

i agree on ghost snails ... ewwwww.... for some reason my 15 year old girly girl likes them...

i figure i'll buy a small one and hope the betta eats it...(sad but true)

cherry are my fav. and i'm doing a black bottom so they should pop...

laqu 10-18-2012 04:59 PM

i have looked for a standard 5 gal.. none around here all 10...

i thought the longer would be better for the little guy to 'run' in...

thinking... thinking.. thinking...

i need a location for the 5 gal...


Trickerie 10-18-2012 06:30 PM

I don't know your budget, but the Spec V has everything you will need for the tank. But it's price is def a turn off. I have the Spec 2.5g and have cherries in it

laqu 10-18-2012 08:32 PM

i'm looking at this one - it has better lighting and i want plants

has anyone ever tried the Shiruba Force Filtration Power Filter ?

Trickerie 10-19-2012 01:36 AM

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