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jmiz16 07-20-2005 11:30 PM

Amania Senegalensis
 
I have seen it in books, but does anyone have it or know how to take care of it if I do find it. I have had great luck with Amania Glacilis.

Clone 07-21-2005 01:25 PM

I have had some trouble trying to tell some of the ammannia species apart. I have what I think is senegalensis (but it looks like gracilis in some online photos) and found it to be fairly undemanding. I have grown it under 2 and 3wpg with pressurized CO2.

Momotaro 07-22-2005 01:01 AM

I think that A. gracilis looks a heck of a lot like A. senegalensis when the plant is not getting the required CO2 and fertilizers.

Mike

shalu 07-22-2005 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Momotaro
I think that A. gracilis looks a heck of a lot like A. senegalensis when the plant is not getting the required CO2 and fertilizers.

Mike

Mike, are you saying that A. senegalensis looks like cr@p? :icon_bigg Most of the senegalensis pics I find on the net do look like cr@p with leaves severely rolling downwards. But I don't believe it is how healthy senegalensis should look. The only way I can get it looking attractive is in soft water tank. I am sure Tom Barr can get it look decent in harder water as well, but not me :wink:

Momotaro 07-22-2005 01:21 AM

I guess so! ;)

Mike

jmiz16 07-22-2005 02:23 PM

I have that book by Pablo somone, I think its a really good book for plant ID, and Senegalis looks nothing like Gracillis in the book.

Do you guys know if Pond Penny is what is found in many pics. in T. Amono's first book or is it Bacopa Carolina?
Why do you think in his later 2 books he just focuses on grassy looking plants and a couple larger as accents, when in his first book published by TFH his tanks looked more natural, almost jungle like?
I think his first book was the best and the other 2 are more for layout ideas.

shalu 07-22-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmiz16
I have that book by Pablo somone, I think its a really good book for plant ID, and Senegalis looks nothing like Gracillis in the book.

That's what I was trying to imply. Even the pics in the books look like cr@p, however, healthy(very rare) A. senegalensis, with very little of the leaf curling, actually does look quite like healthy A. gracilis, except the leaves and stems are smaller.

jmiz16 07-22-2005 11:49 PM

Shalu...No way....... The plants in the Pablo book are very healthy almost perfect. Because they are so perfect I think most of the plants are emersed growth.
Anyone else?

shalu 07-23-2005 12:03 AM

well, then it should look very similar to a. gracilis, how is it different? I don't have that book. It could be emersed growth like you said, I started with emersed growth of that plant too. The leaves are rounder and smaller with emersed growth, totally different from submersed growth.

here is an example of bad looking A. senegalensis (just noticed in its desciption it also says it prefers soft water.)
The pic in the Baensch aquarium atlas is as bad.

This pic is close to normal, non-decifient A. senegalensis. Notice how similar it is to ammania gracilis.

jmiz16 07-23-2005 04:13 PM

Shalu,
That first picture looks nice IMO very different than the second which is Amania Gracillis, no matter what that plantgeek says. That second picture is Identical in color and leaf format to my Gracillis.
And yes the picture in the Pablo book of A. Senigalis has rounder leafes (like long ovals). Simlar looking to Hygro. Polysperma.

shalu 07-23-2005 06:03 PM

If you like the first pic, then you just need to grow it in harder water. I grew it just like that(kh4, gh8). It is deficient looking in my eyes. However, when I put it in soft water(kh2, gh2), it is much happier and grows like A. gracilis, but with thinner stem/smaller leaves, deep pink on new growth. You WON'T be able to tell the difference between the two from any picture, but easy to tell in person with size comparisons. I have grown both for quite some time.

jmiz16 07-23-2005 06:08 PM

My water is med-hard to hard hard. I am happy when my CO2 gets my PH down from 8.0 to 7.5. I keep Tanganyka chiclids in my tank.
Thanks for the info.


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