Fissidens splachnobryoides??

spypet · 01-11-2008, 06:42 PM

only after many Months of acclimating; this Splach moss appears to be growing submerged. strange how it now appears like a mini zipper moss, not a mini fissiden. if you look earlier in my thread while it was growing immersed, this appears now like an entirely different moss. I realized it was attaching to it's dead predecessors, instead of the mesh, so I had to liberate it from this mesh cage before it would dissolve, loosen, and float away. while I'm sure it would be happier on wood, I decided to use the suspended nylon rope so I could better control it's light, and keep it clean and undisturbed. my hope is that in a few Months it will not only spread symmetrically along the rope, but attach to the nooks and crannies between the nylon fibers, not just to itself. I'm going to monitor it weekly to make sure it's not just dissolving off the rope and floating away. I went through far too much trouble already to waste this little one square inch sample that has still managed to resurrect itself submerged nearly half a year later.

01/15/08 update:

after careful consideration, I removed the moss from the nylon rope
and evenly pressed it against Swahala wood using flexible 1/4" mesh.
at this point, I'm more interested in seeing the adherence potential
of this moss to wood, then if it will continue to grow submerged.
it is positioned for best light, low currents, and minimal interference
from fish and invertebrate in my tank, and human tank maintenance.
I'm hoping now that it's acclimated to my tank, it will show some
new vertical growth within a Month, instead of taking three...

3 more week - alive but still dormant:

2 more weeks - finally seeing growth:

now let's see how thick and tall it comes in...

**NeonShrimp** · 01-31-2008, 02:24 PM

I just wanted to say thanks for looking out for the rest of us and for sharing this bad experience with AQMagic. Good to know you are out there doing a good thing. I just added to your reputation

valerandi · 02-08-2008, 06:00 PM

Hi to you all. New on the forum but quite some experience with mosses. There is a quite a of of confusion here. People getting angry at aqmagic. but its not the fault of the mosses...

1) Picture above is NOT F splachnobryoides. Either Aqmagic sent you wrong moss or it was among F splachnobryoudes which had died off leaving this moss. It may be F zippelianus or another Fissidens. F splachnobryoides does not have stems like that shown above.
2) F splachnobryoides is a terrestrial plant in the wild. BUT it will grow in the aquarium in the RIGHT conditions. It will also spread out horizontally exactly as shown in AQmagic photos, but incredibly slowly. I know because I have done it.
3) Most aquarium mosses are terrestrial in nature including Christmas moss. Its a town moss in Singapore growing on roads. This does not have anything to do with how well it will grow in an aquarium in the right conditions.
4) Never test the suitability of a moss for aquariums by placing in still water or glass jars. Most will die. (lack of CO2, photosynthesis)
5) To grow F splachnobryodes well: High light, CO2 (or flourish excel), weekly 50% water change, a little NPK and traces (or shrimp waste)
6) AQmagic may send right or wrong mosses. I just received Hyophila ('star moss' wrongly T ruralis) instead of Plagiomnium. Not much difference in shape but my microscope does not lie. I do not think they are that well organised but mosses are cheap.
6) Its difficult to tell one moss from another without a microscope and some bryology books. But take the above conditions as standard for any moss you are not sure about. Even Hyophila (Star moss) grows as shown in photos.

See link:

http://www.aquariummalta.com/topic.a...ts&whichpage=3

regards
Stephan

spypet · 02-13-2008, 02:53 PM

valerandi - thank you for contributing to this thread

can you take an educated guess as to what this moss is?
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/458256-post2.html
it was a terrestrial moss AQMagic sent me by accident

for the sake of continuity, I'll keep calling it Splach moss.
anyway, what I fear most is starting to occur... again

parts of the submerged moss are rotting and algae prone
while a few fronds struggle to survive. I'm going to dip
exactly half of this wood disk based sample in H202. it
should be interesting to photograph the two halves a few
weeks from now and see if it made a noticeable difference.
water's capillary action will expose all the wet parts above
water to the H202, but hopefully at a lower concentration.
I'm getting some pearling from my DIY Co2, but I fear all my
patient efforts are futile without regular compressed Co2.
I'll leave this sample in my shrimp tank for a day to give
them a chance to clean off all this biological crude. I keep
moss in a high light Co2 tank, not my low light shrimp tank.
If I ever see Amano's for $2 each (including shipping&tax)
then I'll buy a few dozen and throw them in my moss tank.

Roy Deki · 03-08-2008, 09:23 PM

Any updates on this spypet?

**fishscale** · 03-08-2008, 11:02 PM

Unfortunately (and for unknown reasons), spypet was banned. You can still talk to him on APC, though.

jrs · 03-09-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishscale

Unfortunately (and for unknown reasons), spypet was banned. You can still talk to him on APC, though.

????? Why was he banned ???????

I mod and have modded on a few sites so I know things go on behind the scenes. Can one of the mods provide at least a general reason why.

jazzlvr123 · 03-09-2008, 09:17 PM

i know he was being quite rude to other people on other posts and after a few comments I read (that later got deleted) I have not heard from him since

Ellylove · 04-03-2009, 06:57 AM

I'm so disappointed Spy is banned!!! I don't care how rude he was, he was a wellspring of knowledge. Well, I hope he still looks here occasionally... I have never tried moss in an aquarium, but I am very excited too. I have been researching a lot and came across this site and this thread. I have been on Aquabid and encountered AQmagic and he did seem a little iffy.... I would love to have a carpet of moss in my aquarium that looks like this :

It's being sold by AQmagic on Aquabid by what the pic says but I really have no clue what it is. Any help? Will ricca or pellia look like that?

Btw, Spy, or anyone who can get in touch with him, There is a guy on Aquabid selling driftwood covered in the algae that make up marimo balls!!!

I'm not sure how he did it exactly, I just know it's BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Do you think it would be possible to get that to cover the bottom of a tank?

What would the best moss be to get a very short lawn effect?
Thanks for any help!!

Elly

mithrius · 04-29-2009, 06:41 AM

phew.. what an extensive thread! but im glad i found it
i actually ordered this moss from that same seller on ebay, and then decided to research. after all this research, im afraid it most definitly wont come out looking like those pictures!! even at its best!
I emailed them, hoping they can cancel the order, esp since the information they gave was mis-represented and mostly wrong...

thanks for all the info you guys! you saved me alot of headache...

01-11-2008, 06:42 PM	#46 (permalink)
spypet Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (56/100%) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Forest Hills, NY Posts: 3,298	only after many Months of acclimating; this Splach moss appears to be growing submerged. strange how it now appears like a mini zipper moss, not a mini fissiden. if you look earlier in my thread while it was growing immersed, this appears now like an entirely different moss. I realized it was attaching to it's dead predecessors, instead of the mesh, so I had to liberate it from this mesh cage before it would dissolve, loosen, and float away. while I'm sure it would be happier on wood, I decided to use the suspended nylon rope so I could better control it's light, and keep it clean and undisturbed. my hope is that in a few Months it will not only spread symmetrically along the rope, but attach to the nooks and crannies between the nylon fibers, not just to itself. I'm going to monitor it weekly to make sure it's not just dissolving off the rope and floating away. I went through far too much trouble already to waste this little one square inch sample that has still managed to resurrect itself submerged nearly half a year later. 01/15/08 update: after careful consideration, I removed the moss from the nylon rope and evenly pressed it against Swahala wood using flexible 1/4" mesh. at this point, I'm more interested in seeing the adherence potential of this moss to wood, then if it will continue to grow submerged. it is positioned for best light, low currents, and minimal interference from fish and invertebrate in my tank, and human tank maintenance. I'm hoping now that it's acclimated to my tank, it will show some new vertical growth within a Month, instead of taking three... 3 more week - alive but still dormant: 2 more weeks - finally seeing growth: now let's see how thick and tall it comes in... __________________ {Clear Mesh Net Sale} {my 29gal planted tank} {my 10gal crayfish tank} {DIY moss rope ladders} {my 100% Co2 Diffuser} {DIY Lava Rock Background} {30g full of Nano stuff} Last edited by spypet; 02-06-2008 at 02:45 PM.. Reason: moss moved to new growing medium - time elapsed progress photos

01-31-2008, 02:24 PM	#47 (permalink)
NeonShrimp Shrimp and Moss are Cool! (View User Tanks) PTrader: (138/100%) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 1,820	I just wanted to say thanks for looking out for the rest of us and for sharing this bad experience with AQMagic. Good to know you are out there doing a good thing. I just added to your reputation __________________

02-13-2008, 02:53 PM	#49 (permalink)
spypet Planted Tank Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (56/100%) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Forest Hills, NY Posts: 3,298	valerandi - thank you for contributing to this thread can you take an educated guess as to what this moss is? http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/458256-post2.html it was a terrestrial moss AQMagic sent me by accident for the sake of continuity, I'll keep calling it Splach moss. anyway, what I fear most is starting to occur... again parts of the submerged moss are rotting and algae prone while a few fronds struggle to survive. I'm going to dip exactly half of this wood disk based sample in H202. it should be interesting to photograph the two halves a few weeks from now and see if it made a noticeable difference. water's capillary action will expose all the wet parts above water to the H202, but hopefully at a lower concentration. I'm getting some pearling from my DIY Co2, but I fear all my patient efforts are futile without regular compressed Co2. I'll leave this sample in my shrimp tank for a day to give them a chance to clean off all this biological crude. I keep moss in a high light Co2 tank, not my low light shrimp tank. If I ever see Amano's for $2 each (including shipping&tax) then I'll buy a few dozen and throw them in my moss tank. __________________ {Clear Mesh Net Sale} {my 29gal planted tank} {my 10gal crayfish tank} {DIY moss rope ladders} {my 100% Co2 Diffuser} {DIY Lava Rock Background} {30g full of Nano stuff}

03-08-2008, 11:02 PM	#51 (permalink)
fishscale King of the Noobs (View User Tanks) PTrader: (12/100%) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 3,902	Unfortunately (and for unknown reasons), spypet was banned. You can still talk to him on APC, though. __________________ Eheim Pimp #254, Eheim Wolverine #1 55 Gallon Work in progress 10 Gallon Shrimp Tank 10 Gallon Planted QT 20 Gallon Shrimp Tank (Work in progress)

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02-08-2008, 06:00 PM	#48 (permalink)
valerandi Newbie (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: malta Posts: 4	Hi to you all. New on the forum but quite some experience with mosses. There is a quite a of of confusion here. People getting angry at aqmagic. but its not the fault of the mosses... 1) Picture above is NOT F splachnobryoides. Either Aqmagic sent you wrong moss or it was among F splachnobryoudes which had died off leaving this moss. It may be F zippelianus or another Fissidens. F splachnobryoides does not have stems like that shown above. 2) F splachnobryoides is a terrestrial plant in the wild. BUT it will grow in the aquarium in the RIGHT conditions. It will also spread out horizontally exactly as shown in AQmagic photos, but incredibly slowly. I know because I have done it. 3) Most aquarium mosses are terrestrial in nature including Christmas moss. Its a town moss in Singapore growing on roads. This does not have anything to do with how well it will grow in an aquarium in the right conditions. 4) Never test the suitability of a moss for aquariums by placing in still water or glass jars. Most will die. (lack of CO2, photosynthesis) 5) To grow F splachnobryodes well: High light, CO2 (or flourish excel), weekly 50% water change, a little NPK and traces (or shrimp waste) 6) AQmagic may send right or wrong mosses. I just received Hyophila ('star moss' wrongly T ruralis) instead of Plagiomnium. Not much difference in shape but my microscope does not lie. I do not think they are that well organised but mosses are cheap. 6) Its difficult to tell one moss from another without a microscope and some bryology books. But take the above conditions as standard for any moss you are not sure about. Even Hyophila (Star moss) grows as shown in photos. See link: http://www.aquariummalta.com/topic.a...ts&whichpage=3 regards Stephan

03-08-2008, 09:23 PM	#50 (permalink)
Roy Deki Planted Tank Obsessed (View User Tanks) PTrader: (53/100%) Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 359	Any updates on this spypet?

03-09-2008, 09:17 PM	#53 (permalink)
jazzlvr123 Planted Tank Enthusiast (View User Tanks) PTrader: (34/100%) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: manhattan Posts: 569	i know he was being quite rude to other people on other posts and after a few comments I read (that later got deleted) I have not heard from him since

04-03-2009, 06:57 AM	#54 (permalink)
Ellylove Newbie (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1	I'm so disappointed Spy is banned!!! I don't care how rude he was, he was a wellspring of knowledge. Well, I hope he still looks here occasionally... I have never tried moss in an aquarium, but I am very excited too. I have been researching a lot and came across this site and this thread. I have been on Aquabid and encountered AQmagic and he did seem a little iffy.... I would love to have a carpet of moss in my aquarium that looks like this : It's being sold by AQmagic on Aquabid by what the pic says but I really have no clue what it is. Any help? Will ricca or pellia look like that? Btw, Spy, or anyone who can get in touch with him, There is a guy on Aquabid selling driftwood covered in the algae that make up marimo balls!!! I'm not sure how he did it exactly, I just know it's BEAUTIFUL!!!! Do you think it would be possible to get that to cover the bottom of a tank? What would the best moss be to get a very short lawn effect? Thanks for any help!! Elly

04-29-2009, 06:41 AM	#55 (permalink)
mithrius Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0/0%) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: canada Posts: 76	phew.. what an extensive thread! but im glad i found it i actually ordered this moss from that same seller on ebay, and then decided to research. after all this research, im afraid it most definitly wont come out looking like those pictures!! even at its best! I emailed them, hoping they can cancel the order, esp since the information they gave was mis-represented and mostly wrong... thanks for all the info you guys! you saved me alot of headache...

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