<<<20gal long>>> finally really good pics!!!!!!!

**resowner92** · 11-05-2007, 01:49 AM

well this is going to be my first planted tank and i have a rock layout for now but i would like you to comment on it or give me some advice.

but heres my idea so far for the rock layout

front view

side view

sky view

i would love to hear your comments on it or advice. I will need some advice later probably on plants too

**CmLaracy** · 11-05-2007, 02:47 AM

looks good to me, did you think about putting a "river" style allotment of sand down the middle of the right and middle rock?, it would look great. I recommend aquasoil btw for the kind of hardscape your trying to achieve, it has the best overall look imo...

did u think about adding any manzanita in there for some height? its great wood!

**resowner92** · 11-05-2007, 05:18 AM

sounds like a good idea with the river i even made a example with packing peanuts

what version of aquasoil do you think would look good

dufus · 11-06-2007, 01:00 AM

Amaznonia and white sand for the river.

keep them well seperated.

I love your rock arrangement, don't change anything.
Get some Hc in there, along with blyxa and maybe some giant hairgrass or jungle vals.

**CmLaracy** · 11-06-2007, 01:14 AM

Make sure you use some cardboard to keep the sand and amazonia separated before adding water. I agree with the sand and Amazonia combo, cant go wrong there.... Only word of advice is to use a decent amount of substrate, about 3cm in the from and 7-8cm in the back. If you don't work any wood into the equation, I'd try to get some more height in there by raising the substrate on the right side of the river up a bit higher to everything else, like a hill (with a distributed slant of course) so the rock gets some more height and difference in perspective to the other two rocks, and so it all doesnt look flat and even. I really like what you've got going, and I'd say raising the Amazonia to the right side of the river, leaving the rock in that spot would really give the hardscape some depth and entriguity. Good luck, and keep us posted!

Edit: upon further inspection, you could raise the left side if you wanted to instead of the right, just make it more gradual. you could make the left side the high point in terms of hardscape, then put some tall plants on the lower right section like cyperus helferi, or maybe even some large Blyxa to fill in the lower section.

Basically, you have a lot of options, be creative, and try to give it some variety instead of a flat appeal. Have fun too!! haha

dufus · 11-06-2007, 01:55 AM

Using plants for hieght would work best IMO.

groyed · 11-06-2007, 02:22 AM

3" on the front and 7-8" in the back is way overkill on the substrates. I agree with dufus on using plants for height instead of substrates. You'll also need to research on max growth of plant species in order for you to plant correctly (otherwise you'd be doing lots of unnecessary trimming/harvesting).

**CmLaracy** · 11-06-2007, 02:59 AM

Sorry, I meant 3cm and 7-8cm, haha, 8" would be filling the tank more than half way!!! stupid typos... and in terms of creating height with the substrate, I really meant minor adjustments in height, creating a mild hill affect... very minimal

**resowner92** · 11-06-2007, 04:35 AM

wow i thought there was something wrong when you said that i was thinking how am i supposed to have plants when they only have 3-4 inches to the top. but every thing sounds good i just need 2 wait a couple of weeks to get the $58 for the dirt lol and get a filter but i am hoping that i will get all of the money i need around christmas time but i am going to get some allowance so i can at least get the sub and the filter so i can start cycling the tank

**resowner92** · 11-08-2007, 04:40 AM

well one of the members(groyed) here sent me a link on monday showing almost the same exact thing we were talking about. The link actually showed step by step on how to do it but i will just show the final result

**resowner92** · 11-08-2007, 04:52 AM

also i just thought of something how many liters of aqua soil do you think i will need for a floor plan of 30x12 and then what about the river sand also? when i measured the river it was about 6in wide in the back and 4in wide in the front. And does anyone know where it is cheap to get aqua soil?

**resowner92** · 11-09-2007, 02:45 PM

bump anyone?

**CmLaracy** · 11-09-2007, 06:11 PM

around 14-17 liters I think? I was going to us 18 for my 29gal which has the same footprint... but now I'm switching to a 75p which needs like 18 liters of aquasoil and 4 liters of powersand.

I would personally do 1-9L bag, 1-3L bag, 1-3L bag of powder type, and 1-2L bag of powersand special s

**resowner92** · 11-10-2007, 02:52 AM

well i just bought a filter from cliner for $5 so now i need everything except for a tank and a filter but now i am pondering if i should have the river still or make it like the one below. Now i have another question(sorry if i am bugging you with all of my questions) is there some sort of lighting that is cheap and not $300? Can i get a shop light instead? And thanks for your response CmLaracy about the sub

**CmLaracy** · 11-10-2007, 04:06 AM

np, thats what forums are for

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resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	<<<20gal long>>> finally really good pics!!!!!!! well this is going to be my first planted tank and i have a rock layout for now but i would like you to comment on it or give me some advice. but heres my idea so far for the rock layout front view side view sky view i would love to hear your comments on it or advice. I will need some advice later probably on plants too Last edited by resowner92; 07-13-2008 at 08:13 AM. Reason: needs new title

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dufus Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (11) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: san antonio texas Posts: 1,870	Amaznonia and white sand for the river. keep them well seperated. I love your rock arrangement, don't change anything. Get some Hc in there, along with blyxa and maybe some giant hairgrass or jungle vals. __________________ -Devin- Steve irwin- a father, a hero, a memory now. Peace homie-We'll miss you mate. Knowledge is the one thing a man is entitled to be greedy with.

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dufus Wannabe Guru (View User Tanks) PTrader: (11) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: san antonio texas Posts: 1,870	Using plants for hieght would work best IMO. __________________ -Devin- Steve irwin- a father, a hero, a memory now. Peace homie-We'll miss you mate. Knowledge is the one thing a man is entitled to be greedy with.

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groyed Algae Grower (View User Tanks) PTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 9	3" on the front and 7-8" in the back is way overkill on the substrates. I agree with dufus on using plants for height instead of substrates. You'll also need to research on max growth of plant species in order for you to plant correctly (otherwise you'd be doing lots of unnecessary trimming/harvesting). __________________ Have a great day trimming... Jerry

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11-05-2007, 02:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
CmLaracy =) (View User Tanks) PTrader: (20) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ Posts: 1,473	looks good to me, did you think about putting a "river" style allotment of sand down the middle of the right and middle rock?, it would look great. I recommend aquasoil btw for the kind of hardscape your trying to achieve, it has the best overall look imo... did u think about adding any manzanita in there for some height? its great wood!

11-05-2007, 05:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	sounds like a good idea with the river i even made a example with packing peanuts what version of aquasoil do you think would look good

11-06-2007, 01:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
CmLaracy =) (View User Tanks) PTrader: (20) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ Posts: 1,473	Make sure you use some cardboard to keep the sand and amazonia separated before adding water. I agree with the sand and Amazonia combo, cant go wrong there.... Only word of advice is to use a decent amount of substrate, about 3cm in the from and 7-8cm in the back. If you don't work any wood into the equation, I'd try to get some more height in there by raising the substrate on the right side of the river up a bit higher to everything else, like a hill (with a distributed slant of course) so the rock gets some more height and difference in perspective to the other two rocks, and so it all doesnt look flat and even. I really like what you've got going, and I'd say raising the Amazonia to the right side of the river, leaving the rock in that spot would really give the hardscape some depth and entriguity. Good luck, and keep us posted! Edit: upon further inspection, you could raise the left side if you wanted to instead of the right, just make it more gradual. you could make the left side the high point in terms of hardscape, then put some tall plants on the lower right section like cyperus helferi, or maybe even some large Blyxa to fill in the lower section. Basically, you have a lot of options, be creative, and try to give it some variety instead of a flat appeal. Have fun too!! haha

11-06-2007, 02:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
CmLaracy =) (View User Tanks) PTrader: (20) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ Posts: 1,473	Sorry, I meant 3cm and 7-8cm, haha, 8" would be filling the tank more than half way!!! stupid typos... and in terms of creating height with the substrate, I really meant minor adjustments in height, creating a mild hill affect... very minimal

11-06-2007, 04:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	wow i thought there was something wrong when you said that i was thinking how am i supposed to have plants when they only have 3-4 inches to the top. but every thing sounds good i just need 2 wait a couple of weeks to get the $58 for the dirt lol and get a filter but i am hoping that i will get all of the money i need around christmas time but i am going to get some allowance so i can at least get the sub and the filter so i can start cycling the tank

11-08-2007, 04:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	well one of the members(groyed) here sent me a link on monday showing almost the same exact thing we were talking about. The link actually showed step by step on how to do it but i will just show the final result

11-08-2007, 04:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	also i just thought of something how many liters of aqua soil do you think i will need for a floor plan of 30x12 and then what about the river sand also? when i measured the river it was about 6in wide in the back and 4in wide in the front. And does anyone know where it is cheap to get aqua soil?

11-09-2007, 02:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	bump anyone?

11-09-2007, 06:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
CmLaracy =) (View User Tanks) PTrader: (20) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ Posts: 1,473	around 14-17 liters I think? I was going to us 18 for my 29gal which has the same footprint... but now I'm switching to a 75p which needs like 18 liters of aquasoil and 4 liters of powersand. I would personally do 1-9L bag, 1-3L bag, 1-3L bag of powder type, and 1-2L bag of powersand special s

11-10-2007, 02:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
resowner92 Got Shrimp? (View User Tanks) PTrader: (42) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Planet Earth Glendora, California Posts: 1,419	well i just bought a filter from cliner for $5 so now i need everything except for a tank and a filter but now i am pondering if i should have the river still or make it like the one below. Now i have another question(sorry if i am bugging you with all of my questions) is there some sort of lighting that is cheap and not $300? Can i get a shop light instead? And thanks for your response CmLaracy about the sub

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11-10-2007, 04:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
CmLaracy =) (View User Tanks) PTrader: (20) Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Franklin Lakes, NJ Posts: 1,473	np, thats what forums are for